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grandsalami	Lowrie and Weiland traded for melancon		Lead	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 199 12/14/11 12:44 PM	Tags : None Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Source: Lowrie, Weiland from #RedSox to #Astros for Melancon. #MLB
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amfox1		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9014 12/14/11 12:49 PM Senior Forum Moderator	http://www.baseball-refer...&utm_campaign=Linker Height: 6' 2", Weight: 215 lb. Born: March 28, 1985 in Wheat Ridge, CO (Age 26) Drafted by the New York Yankees in the 9th round of the 2006 amateur draft. 2012 Contract Status: Pre-Arb Eligible, 1 yr/$421k (11) (details) Service Time (01/2012): 1.139, Arb Eligible: 2014, Free Agent: 2017 [*], 2011 - 71 G, 47 GF, 20 SV, 74.1 IP, 65 H, 66/26 K/BB, 5 HRA, 137 ERA+, 3.14 xFIP, 1.2 WAR
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Nolson20		#2	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1061 12/14/11 12:51 PM	Not sure what to think. Melancon is better than any reliever on the market but at the same time I don't like trading Lowrie for a reliever.
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BNich0622		#3	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 316 12/14/11 12:55 PM	Kind of disappointed to see Weiland go. I know he had a rough time getting his feet wet this past season at the MLB level, but I still had hope for the kid.
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Sibby Sisti		#4	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 633 12/14/11 12:55 PM	So, is he now our closer? He had 20 saves last year so Mills used him in that role.
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amfox1		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9015 12/14/11 12:56 PM Senior Forum Moderator	Melancon has very good GB rates, although does not have elite K or BB rates. He's a cheap alternative to Bailey. My gut is that it's a high price to pay. Would have thought Lowrie would have been enough. We now have a bench opening, an extra 40-man spot and an additional $600k to spend. Last Edited By: amfox1 12/14/11 1:06 PM. Edited 1 time.
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buffs44444		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1946 12/14/11 12:59 PM	not a fan, but life's different when you have to shop at wal-mart for the holidays instead of FAO Schwartz..... Lowrie and Aviles were somewhat redundant, so one of them was likely to go.... oh well..... Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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BNich0622		#7	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 317 12/14/11 12:59 PM	Quick question. His numbers indicate he saved 20 games last year for the Astros. Do the Sox see him as a closer of a back of the bullpen set up kind of acquisition?
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Guidas		#8	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2374 12/14/11 1:00 PM	These guys are year to year but just looking at ERA vs. AL Teams I am not impressed (and he's a Yankee throwaway): TOR 4.26 ERA TEX 5.40 ERA TB 11.12 ERA LAA 10.13 ERA DET 0.00 ERA BOS 4.15 ERA BAL 0.00 ERA CHW 4.50 ERA And, best of all, a 7.56 ERA in....Yankee stadium I would think for EITHER Lowrie or Weiland I do this, but looks like an overpay to me, esp given Weiland could be as good a pen arm as this guy. We'll see...
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amfox1		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9016 12/14/11 1:06 PM Senior Forum Moderator	BNich0622 wrote: Quick question. His numbers indicate he saved 20 games last year for the Astros. Do the Sox see him as a closer of a back of the bullpen set up kind of acquisition? I assume Jenks gets the first shot at closing (assuming Bard and Aceves in the rotation), with Melancon as the 8th inning guy and Albers in the 7th.
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joshv02		#10	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 962 12/14/11 1:06 PM	amfox1 wrote: Melancon has very good GB rates, although does not have elite K or BB rates. He's a cheap alternative to Bailey. My gut is that it's a high price to pay. Would have thought Lowrie would have been enough. We now have a bench opening and an additional $700k to spend. Agreed, though I don't think Aviles+Lowrie as the IF bench was the way to to go anyway. Assuming 3 non C position bench spots, will need one pure IF, one pure OF, and either an IF/OF or a 2d pure OFer. I suppose Aviles could have been the IF/OF, but that seemed pretty weak to me.
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Sibby Sisti		#11	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 634 12/14/11 1:07 PM	Could be that they have confidence that Alex Wilson will be as good as or better than Weiland. It'll be his first season at AAA and he'll begin as a starter.
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TNS		#12	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3404 12/14/11 1:07 PM	Great job by Houston maximizing the value on Melancon by throwing him into the closer role for half the season. I like that he's under team control for 5 more seasons but there's a clear reason he's coming cheaper than Bailey would.
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amfox1		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9017 12/14/11 1:10 PM Senior Forum Moderator	We have sufficient AAA assets to go with a rotating 13th position player, if that's the direction they wish to go.
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jdb		#14	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 805 12/14/11 1:11 PM	Guidas, are those stats just for 2011 or career? Overall he seemed to have a pretty good season last year and is under control for 5 more seasons...right? Looking at his home/away splits he had a run lower ERA on the road last year. Maybe a move outside on the hitters park (HR) in Houston will help. He had a GB% of 56% last year too. On surface it seems like Weiland and Lowrie is an overpay but Im going to give it the benefit of the doubt. Lets not forget John Axford was a NYY throw away also.
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BNich0622		#15	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 318 12/14/11 1:14 PM	amfox1 wrote: BNich0622 wrote: Quick question. His numbers indicate he saved 20 games last year for the Astros. Do the Sox see him as a closer of a back of the bullpen set up kind of acquisition? I assume Jenks gets the first shot at closing (assuming Bard and Aceves in the rotation), with Melancon as the 8th inning guy and Albers in the 7th. Good call. Keep forgetting Jenks is still relevant. I pretty much wrote him last year. Horrible performance and couldn't stay healthy. Don't really like him in the closers role as he hasn't been what he once was the past few years but he does have the experience and decent past in the AL. I still think it is a pretty good acquisition for the bullpen regardless. Looks like they are moving forward and truly giving Bard a shot in the rotation.
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alongwayback7		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 764 12/14/11 1:15 PM Jon Meoli Senior Columnist SoxProspects.com	If (or in my opinion, when) Bard ends up back in the bullpen, Melancon could be a key piece in a strong pen. Not sure who closes and its sad to see Jed go, but this ultimately seems fair.
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BNich0622		#17	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 319 12/14/11 1:15 PM	Sibby Sisti wrote: Could be that they have confidence that Alex Wilson will be as good as or better than Weiland. It'll be his first season at AAA and he'll begin as a starter. I thought this as well. Haven't see him pitch yet, but hope to this year. Possibly could be a mid summer call-up and have an impact in the pen or as a 5th starter in case of injury.
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Curll84		#18	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1467 12/14/11 1:16 PM	Jed Lowrie instantly becomes the best player the Astros have. Note the complete lack of italics. LegendofJedLowrie.com \| RoyalRooters.com
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Deanskie		#19	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 109 12/14/11 1:16 PM	It feels like an overpay, but then anytime you acquire "a closer", it's bound to be. And they certainly weren't going to find anyone else with closer experience for cheaper. Screw the troops. Or at the very least, buy them a drink.
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BNich0622		#20	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 320 12/14/11 1:20 PM	Deanskie wrote: It feels like an overpay, but then anytime you acquire "a closer", it's bound to be. And they certainly weren't going to find anyone else with closer experience for cheaper. What's funny about this move is, we all at least I hadn't heard anything about the guy or any rumors of them talking to Astros about shopping Lowrie. The move kind of came out of left field. May see a few more moves like this. And should here about Darvish tomorrow. Does this loosen up anymore cash for the sox or no?
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