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adiospaydro2005	Compensation for Theo (and others) leaving for Cubs		Lead	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2292 10/14/11 12:53 PM Veteran Member	Tags : None Per Bruce Levine... @ESPNChiCubs Bruce Levine Source;Red Sox looking for the next Kevin Youkilis in Cub minor leagues as compensation. This may take a bit more time. That has to be Jeimer Candelario. That's a good start Ben. Jeimer Candelario (3b), Dominican Republic. Technically Candelario was born in New York City but his family has since moved back to the Dominican Republic where he played baseball. Candelario is a remarkably advanced hitter for his age (17). The switch-hitter has dominated the DSL with his combination of hitting skills, emerging power, and plate discipline. Candelario is not as advanced on defense but he has plenty of time to improve. Even if he doesn't, he has the bat to profile in LF or 1B should he need to switch positions. The 6'1", 180 lbs Candelario had a slash line of .340/.447/.471 and has just 41 strikeouts in almost 300 plate appearances Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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amfox1		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8817 10/14/11 12:59 PM Senior Forum Moderator	Good luck with that. The Cubs system is not very good. Based on my review of the Cubs system, Brett Jackson (Cubs #1 prospect) would probably slot into our system at 5, behind Middlebrooks, Kalish, Ranaudo and Bogaerts, Matt Szczur would likely be at 8-10 and no one else in the Cubs system would be in our top 10-12 (not counting Baez, who is not eligible to be traded). Trey McNutt and Rafael Dolis would likely slot into the mid-teens.
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Archie Graham		#2	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3468 10/14/11 1:11 PM	Just take the highest upside kid(s) you can get. Forget what level they are at. If they flame out, they flame out - but don't take some AA or AAA kid who's "decent" simply because he's at a higher level. Aim for impact. The "decent" type prospects continue to do nothing for this organization. We don't need more of them. Screw probability of making the majors.
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adiospaydro2005		#3	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2294 10/14/11 1:14 PM Veteran Member	That's exactly why it makes more sense to target some of their Latin America players which they have signed the last couple of years while the Red Sox for the most part punted. The Cubs signed so players in Latin America they had two teams in the DSL this year. I'd rather get a couple of those guys who have the potential for much higher upside than the likes of Jackson (LH OF which the Red Sox already have enough) and McNutt (injured, can't throw strikes, likely a middle reliever), etc. Szczur would be okay, particularly since he is a RH OF with speed and power. Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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JimRiceRocks		#4	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1880 10/14/11 1:37 PM Veteran Member	While not technically a prospect anymore, what about Cashner? Huge FB. Anything else to get excited about? "You can never have too much bitching" - left coast bosox fan "No wonder a lot of opponent's announcers have bullpenis envy - left coast bosox fan
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adiospaydro2005		#5	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2295 10/14/11 1:54 PM Veteran Member	JimRiceRocks wrote: While not technically a prospect anymore, what about Cashner? Huge FB. Anything else to get excited about? Cashner had rotator cuff problems in 2011. Appears to be a potential spot starter/middle reliever at best. Here is a good article on FanGraphs about him (something like damning him with faint praise). He would not be someone that would fit the description of high upside potential at this stage. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/enter-andrew-cashner/ Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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JimRiceRocks		#6	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1881 10/14/11 2:08 PM Veteran Member	Thanks. I saw a tweet a few days ago about him 98/99 in AZ league start. I'm all for the high upside latin players in short season ball "You can never have too much bitching" - left coast bosox fan "No wonder a lot of opponent's announcers have bullpenis envy - left coast bosox fan
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Jono		#7	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 6 10/14/11 2:12 PM	Jeimer Candelario (3b), Dominican Republic. Technically Candelario was born in New York City but his family has since moved back to the Dominican Republic where he played baseball. Candelario is a remarkably advanced hitter for his age (17). The switch-hitter has dominated the DSL with his combination of hitting skills, emerging power, and plate discipline. Candelario is not as advanced on defense but he has plenty of time to improve. Even if he doesn't, he has the bat to profile in LF or 1B should he need to switch positions. The 6'1", 180 lbs Candelario had a slash line of .340/.447/.471 and has just 41 strikeouts in almost 300 plate appearances .340/.447/.471 The Latin God of Walks...?
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Section15Box113		#8	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 221 10/14/11 2:19 PM Veteran Member	50 walks, 42 strikeouts. MiLB
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Guidas		#9	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2199 10/14/11 3:16 PM	Keith Law talked about Vitters, Cashner, Jackson and McNutt in his chat yesterday. Didn't sound like he was impressed with any of them. According to him, Vitters still has the bad D and Vladimir Gurrero plate approach, Jackson is a "non-star prospect", McNutt still has poor control and Cashner is still recovering arm strength from his 2010 injury.
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Archie Graham		#10	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3469 10/14/11 3:39 PM	The team is probably better off going for lower level kids, because you don't want to trade Theo for some "decent" AAA kid and have him come up soon only to stink. It's not the most important factor in the trade, but if you are going to opt for a "decent" upper level kid, you better be aware that he's going to be a constant reminder of what we got back for letting Theo go. Best to take some higher upside/lower level kids and let everyone forget about them for 3 years.
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LennSakata		#11	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 307 10/14/11 4:16 PM	I'd like to see some combo of Candelario, Jackson and Ben Wells.
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Sibby Sisti		#12	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 602 10/14/11 4:45 PM	Vitters would rank behind Middlebrooks at 3B. And, overall, he'd trail Ranaudo, Bogaerts, Lavarnway and Kalish in prospect rankings. I see that he's been playing some OF for Mesa in the AFL. The kid has some power.
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DonCaballero		#13	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1262 10/14/11 5:11 PM	Take Lackey and Crawford. Give us nothing. Boy, how I wish this was MLB 11: The Show.
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soxfan13		#14	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 9 10/14/11 5:14 PM	Candelairo dosen't impress me as much as he does most, because the walk numbers are inflated, DSL games always have a ton of walks, Deiner Lopez, on the Sox DSL team has a .393 OBP compared to a .250 BA. Chris Carpenter can hit 100, Rafael Dolis has a big arm and gets a ton of ground balls. I really like Matt Szczur but the plate disclipline isnt that good. Ben Wells is a good high upside arm I would take any combination of 3 prospects from these 6 prospects: Candelairo, Dolis, Szczur, Jackson, Wells and Carpenter. Lahair really intrigues me too, I know he played in the PCL and was 28, but his MLEs, have him with .273/.346/.517, and his MLE homers per 650 PA's is 36, so that guy could be a beast for the Sox, if the Cubs just refuse to give 3 of the above prospects, I would take two of Carpenter, Szczur, and Jackson + Lahair Last Edited By: soxfan13 10/14/11 5:34 PM. Edited 2 times.
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adiospaydro2005		#15	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2296 10/14/11 5:34 PM Veteran Member	soxfan13 wrote: Candelairo dosen't impress me as much as he does most, because the walk numbers are inflated, DSL games always have a ton of walks, Deiner Lopez, on the Sox DSL team has a .393 OBP compared to a .250 BA. Chris Carpenter can hit 100, Rafael Dolis has a big arm and gets a ton of ground balls. I really like Matt Szczur but the plate disclipline isnt that good. I would take any combination of 3 prospects from these 5 prospects: Candelairo, Dolis, Szczur, Jackson, and Carpenter. Lahair really intrigues me too, I know he played in the PCL and was 28, but his MLEs, have him with .273/.346/.517, and his MLE homers per 650 PA's is 36, so that guy could be a beast for the Sox, if the Cubs just refuse to give 3 of the above prospects, I would take two of Carpenter, Szczur, and Jackson + Lahair Why are you focusing on Candelario's BBs? Dude hit .340 with an OPS of .918. Carpenter and Lahair would be AAA fodder which would be exactly what the Cubs would like the Red Sox to take. Also, we don't need any more LH OF like Jackson as Reddick and Kalish are better than him. Szczur would be someone that I would be interested in. Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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soxfan13		#16	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 10 10/14/11 5:39 PM	adiospaydro2005 wrote: soxfan13 wrote: Candelairo dosen't impress me as much as he does most, because the walk numbers are inflated, DSL games always have a ton of walks, Deiner Lopez, on the Sox DSL team has a .393 OBP compared to a .250 BA. Chris Carpenter can hit 100, Rafael Dolis has a big arm and gets a ton of ground balls. I really like Matt Szczur but the plate disclipline isnt that good. I would take any combination of 3 prospects from these 5 prospects: Candelairo, Dolis, Szczur, Jackson, and Carpenter. Lahair really intrigues me too, I know he played in the PCL and was 28, but his MLEs, have him with .273/.346/.517, and his MLE homers per 650 PA's is 36, so that guy could be a beast for the Sox, if the Cubs just refuse to give 3 of the above prospects, I would take two of Carpenter, Szczur, and Jackson + Lahair Why are you focusing on Candelario's BBs? Dude hit .340 with an OPS of .918. Carpenter and Lahair would be AAA fodder which would be exactly what the Cubs would like the Red Sox to take. Also, we don't need any more LH OF like Jackson as Reddick and Kalish are better than him. Szczur would be someone that I would be interested in. Carpenter is not an AAA fodder, because he can hit 100 mph, that is super intriguing, the only player in the Sox system who can do that is Frank Montas who is in the DSL, the same level as Candelairo, which is why I'm holding back on Candelairo, Lahair put up absolutely huge numbers, that have MLEs that have him hitting 36 homers and putting up .273/.346/.517 line, Candelairo is in DSL, if Lahair can put up those numbers, which I think he will fall a little short of, he is so much more valuable than Candelairo, a player in DSL, Jackson has better stats than Kalish/Reddick, better plate discipline, and a lot of prospects bust, Kalish and reddick aren't guarantees
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adiospaydro2005		#17	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2298 10/14/11 5:45 PM Veteran Member	soxfan13 wrote: adiospaydro2005 wrote: soxfan13 wrote: Candelairo dosen't impress me as much as he does most, because the walk numbers are inflated, DSL games always have a ton of walks, Deiner Lopez, on the Sox DSL team has a .393 OBP compared to a .250 BA. Chris Carpenter can hit 100, Rafael Dolis has a big arm and gets a ton of ground balls. I really like Matt Szczur but the plate disclipline isnt that good. I would take any combination of 3 prospects from these 5 prospects: Candelairo, Dolis, Szczur, Jackson, and Carpenter. Lahair really intrigues me too, I know he played in the PCL and was 28, but his MLEs, have him with .273/.346/.517, and his MLE homers per 650 PA's is 36, so that guy could be a beast for the Sox, if the Cubs just refuse to give 3 of the above prospects, I would take two of Carpenter, Szczur, and Jackson + Lahair Why are you focusing on Candelario's BBs? Dude hit .340 with an OPS of .918. Carpenter and Lahair would be AAA fodder which would be exactly what the Cubs would like the Red Sox to take. Also, we don't need any more LH OF like Jackson as Reddick and Kalish are better than him. Szczur would be someone that I would be interested in. Carpenter is not an AAA fodder, because he can hit 100 mph, that is super intriguing, the only player in the Sox system who can do that is Frank Montas who is in the DSL, the same level as Candelairo, which is why I'm holding back on Candelairo, Lahair put up absolutely huge numbers, that have MLEs that have him hitting 36 homers and putting up .273/.346/.517 line, Candelairo is in DSL, if Lahair can put up those numbers, which I think he will fall a little short of, he is so much more valuable than Candelairo, a player in DSL, Jackson has better stats than Kalish/Reddick, better plate discipline, and a lot of prospects bust, Kalish and reddick aren't guarantees Are you Randy Bush? You convinced me. Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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soxfan13		#18	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 11 10/14/11 5:49 PM	adiospaydro2005 wrote: soxfan13 wrote: adiospaydro2005 wrote: soxfan13 wrote: Candelairo dosen't impress me as much as he does most, because the walk numbers are inflated, DSL games always have a ton of walks, Deiner Lopez, on the Sox DSL team has a .393 OBP compared to a .250 BA. Chris Carpenter can hit 100, Rafael Dolis has a big arm and gets a ton of ground balls. I really like Matt Szczur but the plate disclipline isnt that good. I would take any combination of 3 prospects from these 5 prospects: Candelairo, Dolis, Szczur, Jackson, and Carpenter. Lahair really intrigues me too, I know he played in the PCL and was 28, but his MLEs, have him with .273/.346/.517, and his MLE homers per 650 PA's is 36, so that guy could be a beast for the Sox, if the Cubs just refuse to give 3 of the above prospects, I would take two of Carpenter, Szczur, and Jackson + Lahair Why are you focusing on Candelario's BBs? Dude hit .340 with an OPS of .918. Carpenter and Lahair would be AAA fodder which would be exactly what the Cubs would like the Red Sox to take. Also, we don't need any more LH OF like Jackson as Reddick and Kalish are better than him. Szczur would be someone that I would be interested in. Carpenter is not an AAA fodder, because he can hit 100 mph, that is super intriguing, the only player in the Sox system who can do that is Frank Montas who is in the DSL, the same level as Candelairo, which is why I'm holding back on Candelairo, Lahair put up absolutely huge numbers, that have MLEs that have him hitting 36 homers and putting up .273/.346/.517 line, Candelairo is in DSL, if Lahair can put up those numbers, which I think he will fall a little short of, he is so much more valuable than Candelairo, a player in DSL, Jackson has better stats than Kalish/Reddick, better plate discipline, and a lot of prospects bust, Kalish and reddick aren't guarantees Are you Randy Bush? You convinced me. people love low level prospects like Candelairo because they love to think of what a player can become, but chances are, Candelairo will never do anything in the MLB. And it's not even like Carpenter and Lahair have low ceilings, Lahair's MLE's is a terrific ceiling, and Carpenter can hit 100 mph, and can still stay a starter, that's a pretty huge ceiling, besides, I would rather have Candelairo than Lahair, just not Carpenter
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soxfan13		#19	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 12 10/14/11 5:52 PM	actually, this is my new proposal, the cubs give us two of Jackson, Szczur, Carpenter, and Candelairo, and Dolis and one of Ben Wells, Bryan Lahair, or Josh Vitters Last Edited By: soxfan13 10/14/11 6:12 PM. Edited 3 times.
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soxfan13		#20	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 13 10/14/11 6:18 PM	why does no one want Enrique Acosta, seems like a beast?
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