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10/06/10 11:08 AM

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Pats 2011 Roster Chart (age as of 9/12/10, 52 signed to 2011+ contracts/controlled)

DL (9)

LB (8)

CB (5)

S (6)

OL (8)

RB (2)

TE (3)

WR (6)

QB (2)

ST (3)

Wilfork

(28/2014)

Mayo

(24/2012)

Bodden

(29/2013)

Meriweather

(26/2011)

Vollmer

(26/2012)

BJGE*

(25/2010)

Gronkowski

(21/2013)

Tate

(22/2012)

Brady

(33/2014)

Gostkowski

(26/2014)

T. Warren

(29/2013)

Banta-Cain

(30/2012)

Butler

(24/2012)

Chung

(23/2012)

Connelly

(28/2011)

Woodhead

(26/2012)

Hernandez

(20/2013)

Welker

(29/2011)

Hoyer

(24/2011)

Mesko

(24/2013)

Pryor

(24/2012)

Cunningham

(22/2013)

McCourty

(23/2014)

Sanders

(26/2011)

Koppen

(31/2011)

Crumpler

(34?/2011)

Branch

(31/2012)

Katula

(28/2012)

Wright

(28/2012)

Spikes

(23/2013)

Wilhite

(26/2011)

Barrett^

(25/2010)

Neal

(33/2011)

Edelman

(24/2012)

Brace

(23/2012)

Guyton

(24/2011)

Arrington^

(23/2010)

Lockett^

(23/2010)

Kaczur

(31/2012)

Price

(22/2013)

Deaderick

(23/2013)

Fletcher

(24/2012)

S.Brown^

(22/2010)

Levoir

(28/2011)

Slater

(25/2011)

K Love

(24/2011)

Woods

(28/2012)

Ohrnberger^

(24/2010)

Weston^

(23/2010)

Ninkovich

(26/2011)

Wendell^

(24/2010)

Richard^

(24/2010)

* RFA

^ ERFA

Primary free agents – G.Warren, Light, Mankins, Faulk, Morris, Taylor, McGowan, Page, T.White, Ojinnaka, Graham

2011 draft

1 (OAK, NE)

2 (CAR, NE)

3 (MINN, NE)

4 (DEN, NE)

5 (NE)

6 (NO)

7 (NE)

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jcn92

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10/07/10 4:28 PM

With two draft picks in each round how does everyone believe the Pats should use them? Frankly I think the top two priorities should be a guard and a running back. The two guys I think are the best guards are Rodney Hudson and Marcus Cannon. Both should be able to play right away and takeover for Mankins. At running back Mark Ingram would be a cool guy to have as would DeMarco Murray who is really fun to watch. After G and RB I think that someone to stand next to Wilfork at end would be nice. I feel the draft last year took care of the LBers of the future, this year the Pats should get a guy who can play end in the 3-4. There are several played who can do this in this years draft as I believe DE is this years best position for the draft. I like Adrian Clayborn, Cameron Heyward, Greg Romeus, Ryan Kerrigan, and Allen Bailey. I would personally pick Bailey as he is perfect having played and started at DE and DT in college. Finally with Moss gone an electric playmaker at WR is a must in my opinion. If Oakland does really really badly this season I'd be down to take AJ Green, Julio Jones or Michael Floyd. I like Floyd the best.

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10/07/10 4:54 PM

jcn92 wrote:
With two draft picks in each round how does everyone believe the Pats should use them? Frankly I think the top two priorities should be a guard and a running back. The two guys I think are the best guards are Rodney Hudson and Marcus Cannon. Both should be able to play right away and takeover for Mankins. At running back Mark Ingram would be a cool guy to have as would DeMarco Murray who is really fun to watch. After G and RB I think that someone to stand next to Wilfork at end would be nice. I feel the draft last year took care of the LBers of the future, this year the Pats should get a guy who can play end in the 3-4. There are several played who can do this in this years draft as I believe DE is this years best position for the draft. I like Adrian Clayborn, Cameron Heyward, Greg Romeus, Ryan Kerrigan, and Allen Bailey. I would personally pick Bailey as he is perfect having played and started at DE and DT in college. Finally with Moss gone an electric playmaker at WR is a must in my opinion. If Oakland does really really badly this season I'd be down to take AJ Green, Julio Jones or Michael Floyd. I like Floyd the best.

I love Ingram he would be perfect, since Running backs don't normally too high we might have a shot with our first rounder (not Oakland's). Heyward is an absolute beast who some people have compared to Richard Seymour so that would be a good pickup, he could go top 5 or 10. Those receivers are great I wouldn't mind any of them (I like Floyd the most also). Another great receiver to keep an eye on is Pitt's Jonathan Baldwin, the dude has drawn Randy Moss comparisons but is not as fast.

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10/07/10 5:54 PM

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Free agent signings were a huge part of their success in 03 and 04 after they signed Rosey Colvin and Rodney Harrison. Shouldn't the Pats be poised to make a free agent splash considering they don't seem to want to pay Moss or Mankins? Or with Randy gone can the Pats please just sign Mankins?

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10/07/10 9:23 PM

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The main reason for the draft pick pile-up (forgive me if this has been brought up here, I didn't see it) is that after this season, there will be a new contract between the owners and the players association. From what I understand, there is going to be a strict salary cap next year on draft picks. (Not agreed upon, but expected.

I started thinking about this when Seymour was traded, and I couldn't really figure out why. I think at the time we already had a 2nd 2nd round pick (with Carolina, forget for who). It just started to feel like the Pats were going all out for the 2011 draft. I knew that the contract was up after 2010, so I figured that it must have something to do with it, but I never knew what the angle was. I thought maybe they knew the talent would be stacked that year. If it is a salary capped draft, we will have a top 5 in the 1st, top 5 in the second, plus our own and a second pick in the 3rd and 4th rounds. In this case we don't trade down because of the cap. Talk about a bridge year.

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10/08/10 12:26 PM

packageforbutch wrote:
The main reason for the draft pick pile-up (forgive me if this has been brought up here, I didn't see it) is that after this season, there will be a new contract between the owners and the players association. From what I understand, there is going to be a strict salary cap next year on draft picks. (Not agreed upon, but expected.

I started thinking about this when Seymour was traded, and I couldn't really figure out why. I think at the time we already had a 2nd 2nd round pick (with Carolina, forget for who). It just started to feel like the Pats were going all out for the 2011 draft. I knew that the contract was up after 2010, so I figured that it must have something to do with it, but I never knew what the angle was. I thought maybe they knew the talent would be stacked that year. If it is a salary capped draft, we will have a top 5 in the 1st, top 5 in the second, plus our own and a second pick in the 3rd and 4th rounds. In this case we don't trade down because of the cap. Talk about a bridge year.

Yes the Jimmy Johnson draft chart will live again after this CBA. Of course BB may then look at the landscape and see that he can get a first rounder in 2012 if he trades out of the top ten (with Oakland's pick in this draft) into the teens or twenties and the cycle will continue all over again.

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10/13/10 1:24 PM

Yeah, all indications are that the CBA (whenever it's signed) will include a hard cap. The Pats be more likely to use all/most of the pics and/or trade UP high into the first round (Oakland's win this weekend angered me despite my hatred for SD). Now there will be more value in high pics so NE will be more likely to take advantage. If Quinn drops a bit (Kiper just moved him to 5 and said he'll go no later than 10-15), I'd love to see the Pats take him. He's a freak who also has great intangibles (from Scout's player card) - though I suppose the recent issues pokes a small hole in that.

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11/07/10 4:11 PM

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Why would we ever PH for Varitek? I mean, what if we PH for him, and it goes to extras, and vic martinez gets eaten by dinosaurs? We'd have to use the emergency catcher.
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MaleNurse2010

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11/07/10 5:54 PM

WillyCoPapi3 wrote:
I'll say it: this Pat's team is a pretender.

The one thats a year away from even being constructed? Today's game sucked main issue was VW getting taking out of the game 1 on 1 by Alex Mack, same issue we had with Mangold taking him out of the game against the Jets. Stud center's make a huge difference going against great nose tackles. TBC and Ninkovich forgetting how to set the edge didn't help either.

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jcn92

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11/07/10 7:33 PM

Not to mention Gronkowski playing like a rookie in the red zone. I think that was the biggest game changer.

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Checking in on the Pats extra picks in the 1st three rounds in the 2011 draft through week 10:

1. Oakland (5-4) Should be bumped back to .500 next week with a road game vs. the Steelers on the horizon who are looking to bounce back after getting drubbed by the Pats.

2. Carolina (1-8) Things are not looking good for the Panthers with Baltimore and Cleveland games coming up and QB Clausen getting concussed last Sunday. This very well could be the 1st pick in the 2nd round.

3. Minnesota (3-6) Green Bay (6-3) at home next week.

Looking like it'll be a very important drafts for the Pats

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Here's where the Pats extra picks in the first 3 rounds stand right now, and who they play in the next 2 weeks:

1. Oakland (5-6) - @SD, @ Jax both (6-5)

2. Carolina (1-10) @SEA (5-6), vs. ATL (9-2). Still the front runner for first pick in the second round.

3. Minnesota (4-7) vs BUF (2-9), vs NYG (7-4)

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amfox1

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12/01/10 11:44 AM

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Roster chart updated.

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Initial mock draft

1. Carolina Panthers (1-10): Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford. Consensus #1 pick.
2. Buffalo Bills (2-9): Marcell Dareus, DE/DT, Alabama. Could flip-flop with Bowers.
3. Detroit Lions (2-9): Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU. Team need matches up with top talent.
4. Cincinnati Bengals (2-9): Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson.
5. Arizona Cardinals (3-8): Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas. Crying need.
6. Denver Broncos (3-8): Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, North Carolina. Top value.
7. Dallas Cowboys (3-8): Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska.
8. San Francisco 49ers (4-7): Nick Fairley, DE/DT, Auburn.
9. Minnesota Vikings (4-7): Jake Locker, QB, Washington. Bye-bye Brett. If Locker is not picked here, he could slip to Jacksonville or out of the first round.
10. Cleveland Browns (4-7): A.J. Green, WR, Georgia. Best player available drops into their lap.
11. St. Louis Rams (5-6): Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State. Kind of a wild-card pick. If Green drops, he’s the pick here.
12. Seattle Seahawks (5-6): Adrian Clayborn, DE/DT, Iowa.
13. Washington Redskins (5-6): Julio Jones, WR, Alabama.
14. Houston Texans (5-6): Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida. Texans really need help in pass defense.
15. Tennessee Titans (5-6): Cam Newton, QB, Auburn. Bye-bye Vince.
16. New England Patriots (from Oakland (5-6): Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama. Value and need. He isn’t going to last to the end of the round.
17. San Diego Chargers (6-5): Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA. Ayers' coverage abilities will get him drafted early.
18. Jacksonville Jaguars (6-5): Ryan Kerrigan, DE/OLB, Purdue. They need someone, anyone, who can rush the passer.
19. Indianapolis Colts (6-5): Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami (FL).
20. Miami Dolphins (6-5): Anthony Castonzo, OL, Boston College. Value pick. First offensive lineman off the board.
21. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (7-4): Justin Houston, DE/OLB, Georgia.
22. Kansas City Chiefs (7-4): Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M. Miller is perhaps the most naturally gifted pass rusher in the nation. He should climb draft boards.
23. New York Giants (7-4): Brandon Harris, CB, Miami (FL). Rising up the boards.
24. Philadelphia Eagles (7-4): Gabe Carimi, OL, Ohio State. Need pick.
25. Green Bay Packers (7-4): Brandon Burton, CB, Utah.
26. New Orleans Saints (8-3): Cameron Jordan, DE, California.
27. Chicago Bears (8-3): Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State. Big need.
28. Pittsburgh Steelers (8-3): Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida. Reunites the brothers Pouncey.
29. Baltimore Ravens (8-3): Aaron Williams, CB, Texas. Value and need.
30. New York Jets (9-2): Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State. Top-10 talent but inconsistent. A Rex Ryan special.
31. Atlanta Falcons (9-2): Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State. More weapons.
32. New England Patriots (9-2): Travis Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma.
(first pick of second round)
33. New England Patriots (from Carolina): Stefen Wisniewski, G/C, Penn State. Bye-bye Logan Mankins.

Other possibilities

Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame.
Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh.
Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami (FL).
Rahim Moore, S, UCLA.
Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia.
Drake Nevis, DT, LSU.
Jeremy Beal, OLB, Oklahoma.
Bruce Carter, OLB, North Carolina.
Greg Jones, OLB, Michigan State
Demarcus Love, OT, Arkansas.
Nate Solder, OT, Colorado.
Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU.

Last Edited By: amfox1 12/01/10 3:31 PM. Edited 2 times.

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12/05/10 9:53 PM

amfox1 wrote:
Initial mock draft

1. Carolina Panthers (1-10): Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford. Consensus #1 pick.
2. Buffalo Bills (2-9): Marcell Dareus, DE/DT, Alabama. Could flip-flop with Bowers.
3. Detroit Lions (2-9): Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU. Team need matches up with top talent.
4. Cincinnati Bengals (2-9): Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson.
5. Arizona Cardinals (3-8): Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas. Crying need.
6. Denver Broncos (3-8): Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, North Carolina. Top value.
7. Dallas Cowboys (3-8): Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska.
8. San Francisco 49ers (4-7): Nick Fairley, DE/DT, Auburn.
9. Minnesota Vikings (4-7): Jake Locker, QB, Washington. Bye-bye Brett. If Locker is not picked here, he could slip to Jacksonville or out of the first round.
10. Cleveland Browns (4-7): A.J. Green, WR, Georgia. Best player available drops into their lap.
11. St. Louis Rams (5-6): Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State. Kind of a wild-card pick. If Green drops, he’s the pick here.
12. Seattle Seahawks (5-6): Adrian Clayborn, DE/DT, Iowa.
13. Washington Redskins (5-6): Julio Jones, WR, Alabama.
14. Houston Texans (5-6): Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida. Texans really need help in pass defense.
15. Tennessee Titans (5-6): Cam Newton, QB, Auburn. Bye-bye Vince.
16. New England Patriots (from Oakland (5-6): Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama. Value and need. He isn’t going to last to the end of the round.
17. San Diego Chargers (6-5): Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA. Ayers' coverage abilities will get him drafted early.
18. Jacksonville Jaguars (6-5): Ryan Kerrigan, DE/OLB, Purdue. They need someone, anyone, who can rush the passer.
19. Indianapolis Colts (6-5): Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami (FL).
20. Miami Dolphins (6-5): Anthony Castonzo, OL, Boston College. Value pick. First offensive lineman off the board.
21. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (7-4): Justin Houston, DE/OLB, Georgia.
22. Kansas City Chiefs (7-4): Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M. Miller is perhaps the most naturally gifted pass rusher in the nation. He should climb draft boards.
23. New York Giants (7-4): Brandon Harris, CB, Miami (FL). Rising up the boards.
24. Philadelphia Eagles (7-4): Gabe Carimi, OL, Ohio State. Need pick.
25. Green Bay Packers (7-4): Brandon Burton, CB, Utah.
26. New Orleans Saints (8-3): Cameron Jordan, DE, California.
27. Chicago Bears (8-3): Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State. Big need.
28. Pittsburgh Steelers (8-3): Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida. Reunites the brothers Pouncey.
29. Baltimore Ravens (8-3): Aaron Williams, CB, Texas. Value and need.
30. New York Jets (9-2): Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State. Top-10 talent but inconsistent. A Rex Ryan special.
31. Atlanta Falcons (9-2): Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State. More weapons.
32. New England Patriots (9-2): Travis Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma.
(first pick of second round)
33. New England Patriots (from Carolina): Stefen Wisniewski, G/C, Penn State. Bye-bye Logan Mankins.

Other possibilities

Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame.
Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh.
Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami (FL).
Rahim Moore, S, UCLA.
Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia.
Drake Nevis, DT, LSU.
Jeremy Beal, OLB, Oklahoma.
Bruce Carter, OLB, North Carolina.
Greg Jones, OLB, Michigan State
Demarcus Love, OT, Arkansas.
Nate Solder, OT, Colorado.
Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU.

Where is this mock from Locker is going third round, maybe late second. Also god damn Chargers!!!!

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12/06/10 2:08 PM

Based on this year, maybe. However, Locker will have a chance during the Senior Bowl Practices to earn his way back to the top part of the draft. He was the #1 overall prospect for a reason (talented QB with all of the "measurables"). What he does in the NFL is one thing, but I DO think he'll be able to earn his way back into the top 10 with a good showing leading up to the draft.

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12/06/10 7:29 PM

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Another leaf has fallen. McDanields fire by Broncos.

Am Dominican and you??

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12/06/10 11:35 PM

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Brandon Motherfucking Spikes!!!!

You are all welcome.

Does this mean we know your position on sodomy then?- raftsox

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Updated Pat's Extra 2011 Picks Chart:

Round	Team	Current Record	14	15	16	17	Projected Record
1	Oakland	(6-6)	at JAX	vs DEN	vs Indy	at KC	(7-9)
2	Carolina	(1-11)	vs ATL	vs ARZ	at PIT	at ATL	(1-15)
3	Minnesota	(5-7)	vs NYG	vs CHI	at PHI	at DET	(6-10)

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So which asshole called this team a "pretender"?

Why would we ever PH for Varitek? I mean, what if we PH for him, and it goes to extras, and vic martinez gets eaten by dinosaurs? We'd have to use the emergency catcher.
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12/13/10 10:42 AM

For those pining for Mark Ingram in the 2011 draft, note that BJGE is on pace for close to 1,000 yards (granted, not the benchmark it used to be, but not bad for a passing team), 14 TDs and hasn't fumbled since HS (I just knocked on my ruler bc it was the only thing made of wood nearby). Sure, we need depth at that position and "Lawfirm" is an RFA after the season, but I wouldn't be desperate to grab a RB over a DL, OLB or even OT.

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