Sox will get the draft picks only if Bay is signed by a team that has the draft pick in the bottom half of the first round. If he is signed by Mets or any one
in the upper half then good bye to that draft pick.
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Red Sox sign John Lackey, deal finalized
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Posts: 4422 12/14/09 8:29 PM Veteran Member |
Or 1 first, 2 supplementals, and a 2nd, depending on where Bay goes.
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Posts: 47 12/14/09 8:38 PM |
basestealer21 wrote: I cried about the first round pick for Marco. With the Lackey pick up now the Marco deal is good. I just hope Bay signs somewhere where we get the first round pick for him. |
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Posts: 457 12/14/09 8:44 PM |
basestealer21 wrote:Even a 2nd round pick can be valuable. Just think about Justin Masterson, Dustin Pedroia, Jon Lester, Kelly Shoppach and Manny Delcarmen. |
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Posts: 53 12/14/09 8:57 PM |
I love this deal. Cash out, acquire top pitcher, keep prospects.
That's how a big market team should play. |
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Posts: 67 12/14/09 8:59 PM |
I equate this to the Celtics signing Rasheed Wallace. I don't like him personally, but I appreciate his impact as a player and I'll root for him as a
Red Sox.
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Posts: 1570 12/14/09 9:09 PM Veteran Member |
woolly93 wrote:Theo can't be done yet. Buchholz and a bunch of prospects are likely going to Padres for Gonzalez.
Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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Posts: 1219 12/14/09 9:10 PM Veteran Member |
adiospaydro2005 wrote:I'm all for it if it doesn't involve Kelly or Westmoreland along with Clay.
"You can never have too much bitching" - left coast bosox fan
"No wonder a lot of opponent's announcers have bullpenis envy - left coast bosox fan |
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I opened the other thread for a reason. I'll delete future comments on Buchholz/Gonzalez in inappropriate threads.
aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he
can golden glove field in his sleep.
tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong. |
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Posts: 264 12/14/09 9:11 PM |
templeUsox wrote:I know that Temple; it is pretty evident that Lester is the ace. That makes it even worse IMO, if we are discussing ego - one of them gets to be a #3. But really, I was just thinking about the fact that they are both polecats in general. While one would never imply that any professional athlete is not on some level ego-driven, I think that is a secondary factor in any possible tension here. Rational egotists can get along pretty well. But, like I said, they could end up kissing cousins which would be excellent. It was just an angle I thought worth consideration. FTHW, I tend to agree with you. I love Beckett (to the point that it was very close to being my son's name) but some of the trendlines are already a little cloudy. It would have to be the right deal for me to not have reservations.
Just wanted to say that Singer has disallowed me from posting new topics ever since my Freddy Guzman thread. He seemed very upset about my opinions and was
almost hostile in his responses. He must have been upset about something else, I don't know, it was strange. Anyway, apparently he has deemed me unworthy
of starting new discussions. Do I mind? I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
-- Youngcheese, making my day |
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basestealer21 |
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Posts: 86 12/14/09 9:19 PM |
German RSN wrote: Yea that's fair but look at what we're getting back. It's not like we went the path of the Yankees where we had no departing Type A's. That second round pick we lost can be made up for in the supplemental rounds with Bay's new team or the high second round if that team is protected by sucking last year. |
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Posts: 91 12/14/09 9:26 PM |
McAdam brought up a good point on FSNNewEngland. That Clay is there if they need to make a deal at the trade deadline this season. You can't count on Wake
being healthy all year either. Clay is a big chip and he is only getting better. Lackey is insurance in case Beckett leaves and just think what if they make
Josh available at the trade deadline instead? If they know they can't sign him then we can choose the other teams best talent to get back! Possibly flip
that for Miggie or AGon! The last sentence is my point.
Thank you Theo for thinking outside the box on this one. C-ya later Jay Bay tell me how it is to hit at Citi Field. Try playing some D there. |
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Posts: 1221 12/14/09 9:28 PM Veteran Member |
jr russo wrote:To reiterate, we really prefer he doesn't end up playing at Citi Field
"You can never have too much bitching" - left coast bosox fan
"No wonder a lot of opponent's announcers have bullpenis envy - left coast bosox fan |
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Posts: 9099 12/14/09 9:54 PM
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Matthew Carruth hates the deal. He makes
interesting points, but overall I don't see the regression he sees. His contact % is the same as always and his recent rate stats (K, BB, HR/9) are in
line with his career or better. He was at his best in '05/'06 but he's still a strong #2 type starter. Assuming his medicals check out,
there's little reason to believe he won't go back to being a 200 inning guy. If there's any concern, then they definitely should pass on giving
him a 5 year contract. I think Lackey will start out at about a 4.5 WAR player and hold steady rather than start as a 3 WAR player and regress.
aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he
can golden glove field in his sleep.
tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong. |
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Posts: 3085 12/14/09 10:08 PM |
If it came down to giving Bay say 5/75 or giving Lackey 5/85 I'll spend the extra 10 million on the pitching rotation. I don't think Bay could get that
type of deal from the Sox but probably what he's looking for (the 5th year). I've never been a big Lackey fan but he's going to be their 3rd
starter, and he will be awesome in that role. I really hope they keep Buchholz, a fifth starter is a must in the regular season, the Sox should be in just
about every game this year with this kind of rotation. I think Terry has to sack up and actually try to win more games earlier in the year. Sox may not have
the luxury to think marathon early on in the year. I don't really like Wake as a long man but he might have to suck it up and eat some innings. Dice-K and
Buchholz back to back is a little scary when you realize that the pen is going to go 6-8 innings for a lot of two day stretches throughout the year. Theo needs
to make sure there's enough depth in the pen.
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Posts: 266 12/14/09 10:12 PM |
Agreed AMarsh. There is the health concern of course, but Lackey's performance really does not show a regression, and he flat out dominated the last two
months of 2009. It is also surprising that Carruth did not factor into the cost the fact that the Red Sox gave up zero talent, and actually improved their
draft package, by signing him.
Just wanted to say that Singer has disallowed me from posting new topics ever since my Freddy Guzman thread. He seemed very upset about my opinions and was
almost hostile in his responses. He must have been upset about something else, I don't know, it was strange. Anyway, apparently he has deemed me unworthy
of starting new discussions. Do I mind? I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
-- Youngcheese, making my day |
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They didn't improve their draft package by signing him. By signing him, they lose a 2nd round pick (or 1st, depending on how you look at it). By letting
Bay walk they improve their draft package, but Bay and Lackey weren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he
can golden glove field in his sleep.
tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong. |
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Posts: 6413 12/14/09 10:18 PM
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AMarshal2 wrote: I agree it is an overpay in absolute terms, and I do worry about the out years, but he and Cameron and Beltre (if they sign him) totally change the character of this team and make it a very difficult playoff out for years to come. |
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Bosoxwest |
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Posts: 267 12/14/09 10:33 PM |
AMarshal2 wrote:I see your point, although it would appear that this is the de facto state of affairs.
Just wanted to say that Singer has disallowed me from posting new topics ever since my Freddy Guzman thread. He seemed very upset about my opinions and was
almost hostile in his responses. He must have been upset about something else, I don't know, it was strange. Anyway, apparently he has deemed me unworthy
of starting new discussions. Do I mind? I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
-- Youngcheese, making my day |
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buffs44444 |
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Posts: 1546 12/14/09 11:14 PM |
Torii, fan of John Lackey, not happy today:
According to multiple reports, Lackey was in Boston to undergo a physical today, the final step in an agreement with the Red Sox on a five-year deal for about $85 million. The team had not completed its evaluation of Lackey as of Monday evening.LA Times
Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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