10/1-10/4 Red Sox vs. Indians Series Thread

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yankshater213		#61	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 25 10/03/09 10:51 AM	One of the great things about baseball is that you never know. But I'll say it for the last time, it's better to go in on a high, confident note than a low, piss-poor note.
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muellerkiller		#62	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 139 10/03/09 11:05 AM	yankshater213 wrote: ancientsoxfogey wrote: But what it is, hater, is an extreme example of what Pedroia was quoted as saying above. Momentum and confidence checks out when the game is over, and everyone starts at 0-0 the next day. The Sox could play well and wipe the Indians out this weekend, and they might either play well in the playoffs or fall flat on their faces in the ALDS next week. Or they could stink up the joint this weekend, and they might play well in the playoffs or fall flat on their faces next week. No one can really predict -- not even the Sox themselves. Now for those people who want to argue that late momentum means something entering the playoffs, I suppose one could look at the results of first round playoffs, the records of the participating teams in, say, their last 10 games of the regular season, and see if there's a correlation -- which, even if there is, doesn't prove causation. Again, I'll say it. Whether there is a correlation or not, why would you want your team going into the playoffs on an unsure, losing not as opposed to a confident and winning note? Could you please address my post? Yankshater, if we take your logic far enough then you would have to admit, by your own line of thinking, that spring training records matter. I mean the Sox are always below .500 during spring training so surely that affects the team heading into the regular season? Yet the Sox for the most part get off to hot starts in April/May. Trust me, these guys don't really care about these next few games. Last Edited By: muellerkiller 10/03/09 11:07 AM. Edited 1 time.
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JimRiceRocks		#63	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1167 10/03/09 11:09 AM Veteran Member	They're resting and taking it a bit easy and getting ready for the playoffs. They are one of 4 teams in the AL and 8 in all of baseball to be playing past this weekend. They have plenty of confidence. What they need is to get the pitching lined up, get rested, stay healthy and feel energetic going into game1 vs. the Angels. They've owned the Angels the playoffs. Winning or losing the last couple games against the lowly Indians, when the same energy isn't there and likely many of the starters are getting plenty of time off isn't going to matter one bit. Now, if you're a young untested upstart team with less talent than many other teams, then maybe they're something to that confidence and momentum theory - but not for this RedSox team. "You can never have too much bitching" - left coast bosox fan "No wonder a lot of opponent's announcers have bullpenis envy - left coast bosox fan
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DesignatedForAssignment		#64	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 719 10/03/09 12:00 PM	Gil Velazquez, where art thou? Could be getting the wake up call today if the AGonzalez hand is questionable ....
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yankshater213		#65	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 26 10/03/09 12:37 PM	muellerkiller wrote: yankshater213 wrote: ancientsoxfogey wrote: But what it is, hater, is an extreme example of what Pedroia was quoted as saying above. Momentum and confidence checks out when the game is over, and everyone starts at 0-0 the next day. The Sox could play well and wipe the Indians out this weekend, and they might either play well in the playoffs or fall flat on their faces in the ALDS next week. Or they could stink up the joint this weekend, and they might play well in the playoffs or fall flat on their faces next week. No one can really predict -- not even the Sox themselves. Now for those people who want to argue that late momentum means something entering the playoffs, I suppose one could look at the results of first round playoffs, the records of the participating teams in, say, their last 10 games of the regular season, and see if there's a correlation -- which, even if there is, doesn't prove causation. Again, I'll say it. Whether there is a correlation or not, why would you want your team going into the playoffs on an unsure, losing not as opposed to a confident and winning note? Could you please address my post? Yankshater, if we take your logic far enough then you would have to admit, by your own line of thinking, that spring training records matter. I mean the Sox are always below .500 during spring training so surely that affects the team heading into the regular season? Yet the Sox for the most part get off to hot starts in April/May. Trust me, these guys don't really care about these next few games. You're stretching my logic into something absurd. There's a huge difference between games that don't matter (ST) to games that do (reg. sea), and between the end of the season to the first round of the playoffs. That's not even mentioning the fact that Spring Training hardly ever sees the team play with the full lineup they can. You're grasping at straws making that "connection". My last post on this topic here, and I'll reiterate my main point. It's better to have your guys going into the playoffs confident than it is to go into the playoffs with them down and unsure.
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DCRi	Gonzalez X-rays negative will be in Playoffs	#66	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1124 10/03/09 1:57 PM Veteran Member	Per the Globe: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/
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packageforbutch		#67	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 547 10/03/09 2:13 PM Veteran Member	yankshater213 wrote:You're stretching my logic into something absurd. There's a huge difference between games that don't matter (ST) to games that do (reg. sea), and between the end of the season to the first round of the playoffs. That's not even mentioning the fact that Spring Training hardly ever sees the team play with the full lineup they can. You're grasping at straws making that "connection". My last post on this topic here, and I'll reiterate my main point. It's better to have your guys going into the playoffs confident than it is to go into the playoffs with them down and unsure. The point is that these games don't matter, and they are also not playing with full line-ups either. I guess I was confused as to the argument before. I was more concerned with the way the sox backed their way into the playoffs, clinching while losing 5 in a row. They generally have not been playing all that great lately and I think that does matter somewhat. Whatever goes on this weekend does not matter even a little bit. ______________________________________________________________________________ I got in a fight at the roulette table over what I considered an odd number- Stephen Wright Last Edited By: packageforbutch 10/03/09 2:35 PM. Edited 1 time.
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buffs44444		#68	[url]	[-]
Moderator Veteran Member Posts: 1154 10/03/09 7:51 PM	Right now, I'm less concerned with team results over this last series with Cleveland than I am with getting the guy on the mound right now pitching like he did in the 2007 playoffs. Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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TWilliams4649		#69	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 104 10/03/09 7:53 PM	packageforbutch wrote: yankshater213 wrote:You're stretching my logic into something absurd. There's a huge difference between games that don't matter (ST) to games that do (reg. sea), and between the end of the season to the first round of the playoffs. That's not even mentioning the fact that Spring Training hardly ever sees the team play with the full lineup they can. You're grasping at straws making that "connection". My last post on this topic here, and I'll reiterate my main point. It's better to have your guys going into the playoffs confident than it is to go into the playoffs with them down and unsure. The point is that these games don't matter, and they are also not playing with full line-ups either. I guess I was confused as to the argument before. I was more concerned with the way the sox backed their way into the playoffs, clinching while losing 5 in a row. They generally have not been playing all that great lately and I think that does matter somewhat. Whatever goes on this weekend does not matter even a little bit. I agree, except for how the pitchers do. It's not like any of the starters would go out and half ass a start when their statistics are on the line. Therefore, it would be nice to see a nice pitching line even though they most likely will be on a strict pitch count.
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FenwayTheHardWay		#70	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1561 10/03/09 8:07 PM Veteran Member	buffs44444 wrote: Right now, I'm less concerned with team results over this last series with Cleveland than I am with getting the guy on the mound right now pitching like he did in the 2007 playoffs. Does someone who's actually bothering to watch this game want to tell me how bad Beckett looks right now? "Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the cheese."- Buck Martinez
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MaleNurse2010		#71	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 526 10/03/09 8:26 PM	His curve looks like a slurve, and he's middle middle with way too many of his pitches. His delivery also looks a tad bit off.
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packageforbutch		#72	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 548 10/03/09 8:40 PM Veteran Member	Nobody's half-assing it, but it's a time, especially for the pitchers, that they can let it fly. Sort of experiment with their stuff and just keep the arm ready for the next start. It's not like anybody's not trying, but they all get that the outcome means nothing and the line-ups start getting real thin. As far as Beckett goes, I really just started watching, so I really can't help you, but he looks pretty sharp right now (4th) ______________________________________________________________________________ I got in a fight at the roulette table over what I considered an odd number- Stephen Wright
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TWilliams4649		#73	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 105 10/03/09 9:10 PM	packageforbutch wrote: Nobody's half-assing it, but it's a time, especially for the pitchers, that they can let it fly. Sort of experiment with their stuff and just keep the arm ready for the next start. It's not like anybody's not trying, but they all get that the outcome means nothing and the line-ups start getting real thin. As far as Beckett goes, I really just started watching, so I really can't help you, but he looks pretty sharp right now (4th) Completely disagree. It is not a time to experiment with their pitches. It is time to pitch 5/6 innings of shut out ball against an awful team to prepare for the playoffs. Pitching isn't a light switch where they can just turn it on and off. They need to prepare for the playoffs. This is why they should focus on pitching as if it is a play off game. I'm not saying Pedroia should go up and think it is the World Series or anything at the plate, but I wouldn't want my pitchers experimenting with things. Just focus and prepare for October ball.
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packageforbutch		#74	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 549 10/03/09 9:45 PM Veteran Member	Maybe I'm wrong if I say that they experiment with their pitches. I'm just trying to get in their head. But this is about as far from "October baseball" as you can get. I think the most important thing any player can do this weekend is not get themselves hurt. They just played 160 games and they already made the playoffs. What do you think? You are going to see playoff baseball this weekend? Sorry to break your heart/ wait til next week. ______________________________________________________________________________ I got in a fight at the roulette table over what I considered an odd number- Stephen Wright
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buffs44444		#75	[url]	[-]
Moderator Veteran Member Posts: 1155 10/03/09 10:04 PM	Someone complained about next years schedule ending with NY and potentially making those games irrelevant, but there's also the potential for those games to be the equivalent of what LA and Colorado are doing right now. On another note, Victor's slam was a back-breaker for the Indians tonight who started with a 4-1 lead and then proceeded to get crushed in the 2nd. Really would like to see an extension for Martinez in the offseason. He's been great for this team.... Eh well, on to early playoff baseball, game on Rockies..... Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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muellerkiller		#76	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 140 10/04/09 12:55 AM	yankshater213 wrote: You're stretching my logic into something absurd. There's a huge difference between games that don't matter (ST) to games that do (reg. sea), and between the end of the season to the first round of the playoffs. That's not even mentioning the fact that Spring Training hardly ever sees the team play with the full lineup they can. You're grasping at straws making that "connection". My last post on this topic here, and I'll reiterate my main point. It's better to have your guys going into the playoffs confident than it is to go into the playoffs with them down and unsure. This weekend series is just as meaningless. You're the one grasping at straws thinking the results of this weekend have any actual baring on the odds of them winning the World Series. Last Edited By: AMarshal2 10/04/09 12:57 AM. Edited 1 time.
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TWilliams4649		#77	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 106 10/04/09 1:40 AM	packageforbutch wrote: Maybe I'm wrong if I say that they experiment with their pitches. I'm just trying to get in their head. But this is about as far from "October baseball" as you can get. I think the most important thing any player can do this weekend is not get themselves hurt. They just played 160 games and they already made the playoffs. What do you think? You are going to see playoff baseball this weekend? Sorry to break your heart/ wait til next week. My heart is far from broken. All I was trying to say was there is a difference between the position players and the starting rotation. The starting pitchers need to pitch a solid 5/6 innings to be ready for the play offs. I am not expecting to see "October Baseball" this weekend/tomorrow. I don't give a shit if Ellsbury through Youk (if they play them) goes 0 for 16. I care if Clay goes out and throws a decent game. Why would Buchholz throw like it is spring training? He obviously wants to throw a solid 5 innings, get taken out and ready for the post season. I wasn't trying to say the whole team needs to play like it is the post season, I was just saying the pitchers need to have the mentality as if this is the post season. Like I said earlier, it isn't like they can pitch shitty and then turn it on right for post season. Am I wrong?
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yankshater213		#78	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 27 10/04/09 1:44 AM	muellerkiller wrote: yankshater213 wrote: You're stretching my logic into something absurd. There's a huge difference between games that don't matter (ST) to games that do (reg. sea), and between the end of the season to the first round of the playoffs. That's not even mentioning the fact that Spring Training hardly ever sees the team play with the full lineup they can. You're grasping at straws making that "connection". My last post on this topic here, and I'll reiterate my main point. It's better to have your guys going into the playoffs confident than it is to go into the playoffs with them down and unsure. This weekend series is just as meaningless. You're the one grasping at straws thinking the results of this weekend have any actual baring on the odds of them winning the World Series. We get swept, we sweep, whatever, it's not a big deal. My point is still flying over your head. My point was that the team play in a way that would give them confidence going into the playoffs, and not to lay down and just lose games for the sake of getting ready for the playoffs.
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TheGoldenGreek33		#79	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3062 10/04/09 2:01 AM Veteran Member	yankshater213 wrote: My point was that the team play in a way that would give them confidence going into the playoffs, and not to lay down and just lose games for the sake of getting ready for the playoffs. Winning a few meaningless games at the end of the season IS NOT going to give them anymore confidence than they already have. The point of this series is to get the players rest, while at the same time keeping them fresh. We get what you're saying as far as it's nice to end the regular season on a positive note, but you have to realize that this series is not going to be the main source of that confidence. What do you value more: winning the meaningless series against Cleveland or having the team fresh to fly out to Anaheim? How much confidence do you honestly think is going to come from winning this series that they don't already have? Confidence is superb and there's definitely a mental side to the game, but if this team needs the Indians series to come out with their 'A' game on Thursday, then again, they were doomed from spring training. "Ever notice how most Mac users are skinny? It's because of all the calories they burn because they can't shut the f*ck up about how great their MacBook's are." Last Edited By: TheGoldenGreek33 10/04/09 2:03 AM. Edited 1 time.
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yankshater213		#80	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 28 10/04/09 2:03 AM	Well looking at the circumstances, if we lost some of these games, we would have been going off of 6 straight losses vs. Toronto and NYY, plus whatever we lost here, which would have been horrendous. Now that we have a few wins under our belt going into the playoffs, it's a non-issue anyways.
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