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Posts: 6827 08/29/09 11:14 AM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	Tags : None September Reinforcements Discuss.
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Oz43		#1	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 66 08/29/09 11:36 AM	I agree with your assessment that Chris Carter probably will not be called up. However, unless I'm missing some nuance of the situation, it seems like it would be a nice gesture if the Sox did call him up. He probably wouldn't get any meaningful at-bats (although arguably he would be the second-best left-handed bat off the bench, after Kotchman), but he's already on the 40-man, and he could pick up a little service time and a little experience hanging in the majors. I can't see why the Mets would object to this.
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soxprospects		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6828 08/29/09 11:53 AM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	Gotta disagree with you on this one. First, the Sox have never called up players based on nice gestures. Second, they would have to pay him a major league salary during tha time, and he likely wouldn't play. Third, the Mets wouldn't want to risk the chance he gets injured on the Red Sox dime. Fourth, the Mets don't want him racking up service time towards arbitration and free agency on the Red Sox dime. I don't see it happening.
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TokenWilliams		#3	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 425 08/29/09 12:10 PM	I would expect the following to get called up: RP McBeth Jones SP/RP Bowden (will pitch out of the pen most likely) C Wagner OF Anderson Reddick I would expect the Sox to add/bring up an IF... someone that can play 2b/ss - no one like that is on the 40 man right now Mike, is there a list of players that are going to be eligible for the upcoming Rule V draft who the Sox will have to protect? I'd be interested to see this list because that could influence who they add to the last spot right now...
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jmei		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 53 08/29/09 12:18 PM Forum Moderator	Rule 5 eligible: http://wiki.soxprospects.com/Rule+5+Eligible+Players (If you're going to post a link, please make it active. Thanks -AB) Last Edited By: Arquimedez Bozo 08/29/09 12:42 PM. Edited 1 time.
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DCRi		#5	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1044 08/29/09 12:20 PM Veteran Member	During Francona's time with the Sox there usually have not been many call-ups because he doesn't like to have a lot of new players around for whom he cannot (or does not want to) find playing time. He also has complained about the clubhouse being too crowded. So if that pattern continues then the number will not be very high. Pitching will be a priority and Bowden and Dice-K, along with one or two of the relievers seem to be pretty good bets. Reddick and Anderson also seem likely because of their defensive skills. If Lowrie comes back then I suspect no other infielder will come up. Francona likes Bailey so he probably will get the call, but I would rather see Bates because he has more of a future. After Kotteras, Wagner would be the logical choice for another catcher, also because of his future possibilities. All those are probably as much as Francona wants, maybe more than he wants.
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SoxSail		#6	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 154 08/29/09 12:24 PM	Is there any chance that one of the hitters gets the call before September 1 in order to be eligible for the playoff Roster? It doesn't make a ton of sense to have Tazawa on that playoff roster, and there are two returning pitchers who might be ahead of him on the depth chart anyway. If that's the case, it might be better to have the flexibility of a Reddick or Kottaras on the roster instead. If Tazawa were optioned briefly, he would have to stay down for 10 days, and so Bowden might have to make a start if Byrd isn't ready. Obviously would love to see Lowrie back, but if he can't go, Gil Velasquez should certainly be added. Also, Fernando Cabrera really deserves another shot in the bigs, and is the only potential pitcher add who has a great deal of experience/success out of the 'pen. Lastly, if they bring up Reddick and Bailey, there may be no need for Anderson until the Pawsox finish up.
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jsinger121		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15317 08/29/09 12:28 PM Jonathan Singer Digital Correspondent SoxProspects.com	DCRi wrote: During Francona's time with the Sox there usually have not been many call-ups because he doesn't like to have a lot of new players around for whom he cannot (or does not want to) find playing time. He also has complained about the clubhouse being too crowded. So if that pattern continues then the number will not be very high. Pitching will be a priority and Bowden and Dice-K, along with one or two of the relievers seem to be pretty good bets. Reddick and Anderson also seem likely because of their defensive skills. If Lowrie comes back then I suspect no other infielder will come up. Francona likes Bailey so he probably will get the call, but I would rather see Bates because he has more of a future. After Kotteras, Wagner would be the logical choice for another catcher, also because of his future possibilities. All those are probably as much as Francona wants, maybe more than he wants. I completely agree with the bolded part. They never call up too many guys because the clubhouse isn't very big and there are guys that won't get any playing time at all. I expect maybe at most 5-6 callups but nothing more than that. I don't think Wagner or Brown get the call as getting Kottaras back will give the Sox 3 catchers already. Twitter: @Jonathan_Singer/@Soxprospects
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ancientsoxfogey		#8	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 4178 08/29/09 12:36 PM Veteran Member	I am presuming that some of the guys listed in the previous posts won't be up until after the Pawsox season is over. I wonder which ones will be up on 9/1? You'd have to think that pitchers would be on the list for early-as-possible callups. But could the recent merry-go-round with pitchers brought up, used up, and jettisoned have crimped Pawtucket enough that the pitchers couldn't come up early? On a completely off-topic note, I am now headed off to see my son play in his first 30-and-over club league game since his cancer episode. An emotional day for all of us. It's one thing to have coached little league with him during the spring, but to see him back in baseball is going to be a joy. Interestingly enough, his league says that pitchers have to be age 36 or older, and his team was wanting him to try pitching in last fall's season, before he became ill (he turned 36 last fall). I'll be interested to see if they'll put him on the mound today.
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Arquimedez Bozo		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8340 08/29/09 12:41 PM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	SoxSail, the Red Sox can use the 60-day DL spots occupied by Miguel Gonzalez and Daisuke Matsuzaka to sneak players not on the active roster on 9/1 onto the playoff roster. There's no reason for them to call someone up to make them eligible. As for the infield slot, it depends if Lowrie is healthy. If he is, you're set. If he isn't send him to the 60-day and add Woodward or Velazquez.
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SoxSail		#10	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 158 08/29/09 12:55 PM	Arquimedez Bozo wrote: SoxSail, the Red Sox can use the 60-day DL spots occupied by Miguel Gonzalez and Daisuke Matsuzaka to sneak players not on the active roster on 9/1 onto the playoff roster. There's no reason for them to call someone up to make them eligible. As for the infield slot, it depends if Lowrie is healthy. If he is, you're set. If he isn't send him to the 60-day and add Woodward or Velazquez. Just re-read that whole rule and I had not realized that you could replace guys who continued on the DL. This could work for Lowrie as well, and assumably for Kottaras. I assume that if one of the DL'ed guys is on the 60-day, then you can even use a guy who is not on the 40-man to do the replacing. ADD: and yes, I'd forgotten about Woodward who might be a better choice than Velazqez
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soxprospects		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6829 08/29/09 1:29 PM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	Just a reminder to anyone inquiring about our take on things, there is a link at the top of the thread to a short pirce I wrote. http://news.soxprospects.com/2009/08/september-reinforcements.html
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mushbone		#12	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 24 08/29/09 1:41 PM	soxprospects wrote: Just a reminder to anyone inquiring about our take on things, there is a link at the top of the thread to a short piece I wrote. http://news.soxprospects.com/2009/08/september-reinforcements.html I saw this sentence at the tail end of your piece, Mike: The Sox and Mets are apparently looking for creative ways to send Carter to New York for September 1, which would clear another space on Boston's roster and allow Carter to get some big league service time for the injury-depleted Mets this season. I can't conceive of any feasible way to get this done. Can you expand on that in some way? Is there really a viable alternative to waiting until after the season ends to make that transfer? I love the borscht -- Beau Vaughan
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Posts: 6834 08/29/09 1:58 PM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	Releasing him so he can sign with the Mets? That was suggested by Dan Hoard, I'm not sure if it's permissible.
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mushbone		#14	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 25 08/29/09 2:08 PM	soxprospects wrote: Releasing him so he can sign with the Mets? That was suggested by Dan Hoard, I'm not sure if it's permissible. It's my understanding that there's no path off the 40-man roster that doesn't involve retirement or passing through waivers. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I'm not, there's zero chance the Sox will put him on waivers (irrevocable this time) again. I love the borscht -- Beau Vaughan
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Rookie Posts: 1 08/29/09 2:22 PM	I, too, want to see F. Cabrera in the pen. It seems to be more than small miracle that he is still with the team, after passing through waivers, and if I'm not mistaken, passing on an opt-out clause mid-season. I guess my perception of what he has to offer is drastically different from majority of professional talent evaluators. The guy I really want to see get a call up is Dan Nava. At 26y/o, I don't think there is much of an argument that it is too soon. He is the only guy in the upper minors really raking right now, and there is something to be said about riding a hot bat. Nava has a good approach, I'd love to see how it works the majors now. We shouldn't be concerned about messing up his development as he seems to have proven himself rather resilient, and already is already on an unconventional path.
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Pantera		#16	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 262 08/29/09 2:23 PM	soxprospects wrote: Gotta disagree with you on this one. First, the Sox have never called up players based on nice gestures. Second, they would have to pay him a major league salary during tha time, and he likely wouldn't play. Third, the Mets wouldn't want to risk the chance he gets injured on the Red Sox dime. Fourth, the Mets don't want him racking up service time towards arbitration and free agency on the Red Sox dime. I don't see it happening. Service time is a non-issue. Carter is out of options so he's going to be on the Mets roster all year next year or be somewhere else. If he's good enough to actually make some money in arbitration, then one month more of service time isn't going to make him eligible as a "super-two". I'm not sure about this, but I don't think that an MLB callup effects Carter's salary. By virtue of being on the major league 40 man roster he receives a major league salary and benefits. I'm also pretty sure that a side-deal where he is released by the Red Sox to sign with the Mets would be quashed by MLB or at least it should be. Its a clear subversion of the rules and likely the CBA. Plus if MLB allowed such a thing there could be huge problems. There's nothing to stop Carter from breaking the side deal and signing with any club he wants. If that happens then you have a mess with the Mets and Sox having to negotiate another player and going to arbitration or court if they can't agree.
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soxprospects		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6835 08/29/09 2:34 PM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	Carter has another option year next year, so service time indeed matters. Regardless, they still don't want to risk the injury. An MLB call-up definitely affects Carter's salary. He does not earn a major league salary just by dint of being on the 40-man roster. I think both of you are right about the side-deal release. I looked closer and I think he would need to still pass through unconditional release waivers to be released. I still wouldn't rule out some creative solution.
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Arquimedez Bozo		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8350 08/29/09 2:35 PM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	Pantera wrote: Service time is a non-issue. Carter is out of options so he's going to be on the Mets roster all year next year or be somewhere else. If he's good enough to actually make some money in arbitration, then one month more of service time isn't going to make him eligible as a "super-two". I'm not sure about this, but I don't think that an MLB callup effects Carter's salary. By virtue of being on the major league 40 man roster he receives a major league salary and benefits. I'm also pretty sure that a side-deal where he is released by the Red Sox to sign with the Mets would be quashed by MLB or at least it should be. Its a clear subversion of the rules and likely the CBA. Plus if MLB allowed such a thing there could be huge problems. There's nothing to stop Carter from breaking the side deal and signing with any club he wants. If that happens then you have a mess with the Mets and Sox having to negotiate another player and going to arbitration or court if they can't agree. Are you really arguing with Mike about the MLB Rules? Seriously? Disagree with his opinions all you want, but damn son, pick your battles. Players do NOT make a Major League salary solely by virtue of being on the 40-man. Most of them are on split Major League/minor league contracts that pay them one salary in the Majors and another in the minors. The exceptions would be players like Tazawa and Iglesias that sign Major League deals before joining the organization. As far as the service time thing, there's no guarantee that he wouldn't clear waivers and be able to be outrighted to AAA, so it's not like it's guaranteed that he'd be in the Majors for the rest of his career or anything. Before you scoff, realize that Jeff Bailey has cleared waivers numerous times, and Fernando Cabrera just cleared even though he was killing it in AAA. EDIT: or, he has an option. That's what I get for assuming you did your homework before making that statement.
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mushbone		#19	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 27 08/29/09 2:55 PM	eyse wrote: The guy I really want to see get a call up is Dan Nava. At 26y/o, I don't think there is much of an argument that it is too soon. He is the only guy in the upper minors really raking right now, and there is something to be said about riding a hot bat. Nava has a good approach, I'd love to see how it works the majors now. We shouldn't be concerned about messing up his development as he seems to have proven himself rather resilient, and already is already on an unconventional path. I don't think we'll see anyone DFA'd to make room on the 40-man roster for a September callup, but even if this were likely, as much as I'm intrigued by Daniel Nava and would love to see him tested, he's not anywhere near the top of the list of players who'd be added. He won't be Rule 5 eligible for two more years, so the Red Sox have no reason to hurry him onto the 40-man. I love the borscht -- Beau Vaughan
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DCRi		#20	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1045 08/29/09 5:35 PM Veteran Member	It appears the first call up is going to be Byrd. He could be the starter tomorrow. If not, he then may be Wakefield's replacement since his back is acting up again.
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