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TheGoldenGreek33	2009 Promotion Watch List		Lead	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2487 05/11/09 2:31 AM Veteran Member	Tags : None Somewhat following in the Sausage King's footsteps here, this thread is pretty obvious. Similar guidelines as last year. With the short sample sizes of both hitters and pitchers thus far, my friendly disclaimer to you is that these are somewhat premature, since there aren't a lot of promotions that happen up to this point. So here we have it, players who could get promoted relatively soon: Pawtucket to Boston: Clay Buchholz (8.67 K/9, 0.81 WHIP, 0.33 HR/9): A Buchholz spot-start could be a wise decision on two regards. One, it creates more rest for a rotation that's been less than stellar. Two, if he pitches well, he'll earn a spot in the rotation by pushing Masterson to the bullpen. Portland to Pawtucket: Dustin Richardson (11.84 K/9, .156 BAA, 4.74 H/9): Following up a strong HWL up this season after being converted to a reliever. Salem to Portland: Derrick Loop (21/10 K/BB in 21.7 IP, 62.7% GB rate, 2 XHBa): Pitching well, albeit against younger hitters. Shouldn't need much more time proving he's ready for Portland. Kyle Fernandes (0.97 WHIP, 11 K looking): Spent some time in Portland last year, fooling hitters with delivery. Greenville to Salem: Bryan Price (8.37 K/9, 0.96 WHIP, .320 SLGa): Does not need to be wasting time facing Sally League hitters. Armando Zerpa (5.00 K/BB, .241 OPSa, 1.72 H/9): Similar to Price, too advanced for Low-A. End-note: This list does not include rehabbing players in XST who could be activated soon. REGGIE WILLIAMS JR. OR BUST
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ancientsoxfogey		#1	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3529 05/11/09 6:31 AM Veteran Member	Greek, the most important part of your post is what is NOT there. You list exactly 0 position players, and in that you are absolutely correct. It's still early, but there is virtually no one taking the bull by the horns anywhere in the system. Bates maybe, but how can we get excited about a hot month by a 25-year old? Sorry, hit the wrong key. Last Edited By: ancientsoxfogey 05/11/09 6:40 AM. Edited 2 times.
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jsinger121		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13932 05/11/09 7:11 AM Jonathan Singer Digital Correspondent SoxProspects.com	I also wouldn't mind seeing Bubba Bell on this list going from Portland to Pawtucket. I think he is getting real close to pushing his way there regardless of the veterans they have there. Twitter: @Jonathan_Singer/@Soxprospects
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Arquimedez Bozo		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6499 05/11/09 10:47 AM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	Personally, I'd include the following guys as players on the promotion watch. AAA to Majors Fernando Cabrera Michael Bowden AA to AAA Bubba Bell Aaron Bates TJ Large A+ to AA (Not really anyone else yet, but Ryan Kalish and Eammon Portice are on the Promotion Watch Watch List, if you get me) A to A+ Anthony Rizzo, if he can improve vs. LHP Tim Federowicz, if he weren't blocked XST to A (not injured) Dennis Neuman Derrik Gibson/Bryan Peterson (only if a Greenville starter is promoted) And maybe not due a promotion, but I'd like to see Fabian Williamson get some actual starts, rather than piggyback. Last Edited By: Arquimedez Bozo 05/11/09 5:52 PM. Edited 1 time.
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TheBatboy		#4	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 1 05/11/09 11:52 AM	Dustin Richardson is most likely to get promoted, id like to see Jiminez get called up as well.
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jsinger121		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13936 05/11/09 12:35 PM Jonathan Singer Digital Correspondent SoxProspects.com	Welcome to the site TheBatboy. Twitter: @Jonathan_Singer/@Soxprospects
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JimRiceRocks		#6	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 727 05/11/09 1:24 PM Veteran Member	Arquimedez Bozo wrote: And maybe not due a promotion, but I'd like to see Fabian Williamson get some actual starts, rather than piggyback. Just curious how much of a difference there is between pitching the first 5 innings as the starter vs. the last 4 innings (other than the extra inning). I think Boras is holding out for a late Wednesday night announcement in an attempt to upstage Christmas. - OCD SS
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Arquimedez Bozo		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6500 05/11/09 2:06 PM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	JimRiceRocks wrote: Arquimedez Bozo wrote: And maybe not due a promotion, but I'd like to see Fabian Williamson get some actual starts, rather than piggyback. Just curious how much of a difference there is between pitching the first 5 innings as the starter vs. the last 4 innings (other than the extra inning). Well, there's something to be said for preparing before a game as opposed to being in the bullpen warming up. There's also the fact that you're coming in after batters have been trying to adjust to another pitcher. Think back to the old Little League strategy of bringing in the tiny kid who throws meatballs after the kid who is about a day under the age limit and throws gas. The difference in styles affects the batters. I'm not saying this is that striking, but I'd like to see how Williamson does as a starter - preparing like one, facing batters like one, etc.
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Arquimedez Bozo		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6501 05/11/09 2:06 PM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	JimRiceRocks wrote: Arquimedez Bozo wrote: And maybe not due a promotion, but I'd like to see Fabian Williamson get some actual starts, rather than piggyback. Just curious how much of a difference there is between pitching the first 5 innings as the starter vs. the last 4 innings (other than the extra inning). Well, there's something to be said for preparing before a game as opposed to being in the bullpen warming up. There's also the fact that you're coming in after batters have been trying to adjust to another pitcher. Think back to the old Little League strategy of bringing in the tiny kid who throws meatballs after the kid who is about a day under the age limit and throws gas. The difference in styles affects the batters. I'm not saying this is that striking, but I'd like to see how Williamson does as a starter - preparing like one, facing batters like one, etc.
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soxprospects		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5677 05/11/09 2:46 PM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	A few players with AAS scores of under -1. In my opinion, these players maybe could use a bigger challenge soon. Dustin Richardson (-1.84) 2.37 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 11.84 K/9 TJ Large (-2.45) 1.23 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 5.52 K/9 Kyle Fernandes (-1.16) 2.66 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, 7.99 K/9 Derrick Loop (-2.91) 1.31 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 8.71 K/9 soxprospects.com \| boston100.net
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amfox1		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5204 05/12/09 1:45 PM Senior Forum Moderator	My thoughts are as follows (note that I am providing these thoughts in an individual capacity and not in my capacity as a moderator of this site). Greenville --> Salem promotions Anthony Rizzo (spot to be taken by Brooks (XST), with Almanzar playing some 1B) Armando Zerpa (spot to be taken by Ventura (paper move)) Bryan Price (spot to be taken by Hagadone, when ready) Fabian Williamson (spot to be taken by Lee/Fife, when ready) Mitch Herold (spot to be taken by Neuman) Salem --> Portland promotions (assumes Lee/Fife will replace one of the starters, when healthy) Ryan Kalish (spot to be taken by Sheely) Michael Jones (to clear spot for Rizzo) Kris Negron (to clear spot for Navarro, when ready) Kyle Fernandes (to clear spot for Herold) Robert Coello (to clear spot for Povich, when ready) Derrick Loop (to clear spot for Williamson) Eammon Portice (to clear spot for Price) Portland --> Pawtucket promotions (assumes Wagner replaces Otness, Lawson replaces Hedrick, Plummer is released) Argenis Diaz (to clear spot for Negron) Aaron Bates (to clear spot for Jones) Bubba Bell (to clear spot for Reddick) Jorge Jimenez (spot to be taken by Suarez) Dustin Richardson (to clear spot for Fernandes) TJ Large (to clear spot for Coello) Junichi Tazawa (to clear spot for Loop, Maxwell back to rotation) Pawtucket (assumes Natale replaces Madera, Daeges replaces Corsaletti, Jones returns to AAA (replacing Bierd) but Bailey and Green stay in Boston - it is so difficult, given how good a team this is, to find spots to promote four, let alone seven, players from Portland) Tazawa takes the spot of Zink Richardson and Large takes the spots of ?? and ?? Jimenez takes the spot of Chavez (and Ochoa (DL)) Diaz takes the spot of Suarez Bell and Bates take the spots of ?? and ??
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raftsox		#11	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 897 05/12/09 2:35 PM	amfox1 wrote: Bell and Bates take the spots of McAnulty and Ambres Bush also yelled "I'm Matt (expletive) Bush," and "(expletive) East County," before driving over a curb in his Mercedes when leaving the campus, according to the witness.
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coop4444	Don't Understand	#12	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 11 05/12/09 6:19 PM	Have they forgotten about Corsaletti,the kid gets promoted last July,has a terrible July , but a respectable Aug.This year he plays about once a week, granted he's off to a slow start, but he's only been up 36 times,please explain ?
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amfox1		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5208 05/12/09 6:45 PM Senior Forum Moderator	Easy. He is a 4th OF in AAA. The Red Sox are loaded at OF in the high minors (even with Reddick on the DL and Bailey in the majors) and Jeff would be better served to be released to find another organization with less OF depth in the high minors.
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Pantera		#14	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 117 05/12/09 10:40 PM	Arquimedez Bozo wrote: Personally, I'd include the following guys as players on the promotion watch. AAA to Majors Fernando Cabrera Michael Bowden AA to AAA Bubba Bell Aaron Bates TJ Large A+ to AA (Not really anyone else yet, but Ryan Kalish and Eammon Portice are on the Promotion Watch Watch List, if you get me) A to A+ Anthony Rizzo, if he can improve vs. LHP Tim Federowicz, if he weren't blocked XST to A (not injured) Dennis Neuman Derrik Gibson/Bryan Peterson (only if a Greenville starter is promoted) And maybe not due a promotion, but I'd like to see Fabian Williamson get some actual starts, rather than piggyback. How does Fernado Cabrerra make it to the show? If he does I fear we'll be spending the summer at cookouts, swimming, and spending time witih our families. Some of the players you mention have excellent ERAs or batting averages but poor peripherals. If players are lacking in this area, even after a month, its a sign that they really aren't ready for the next level. Bowden, Bates, Bell and Large are all lacking when it comes to peripherals. CBuck and Richardson are not.
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Arquimedez Bozo		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6519 05/13/09 1:03 AM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	Pantera wrote: How does Fernado Cabrerra make it to the show? If he does I fear we'll be spending the summer at cookouts, swimming, and spending time witih our families. Some of the players you mention have excellent ERAs or batting averages but poor peripherals. If players are lacking in this area, even after a month, its a sign that they really aren't ready for the next level. Bowden, Bates, Bell and Large are all lacking when it comes to peripherals. CBuck and Richardson are not. First off, note that my post was made to be in addition to the players in the opening post. There's a reason not one was mentioned in mine. Second, realize that this post was made in the spirit of the original "Promotion Watch" threads, which just listed players performing well enough to be those to watch for possible promotion. In those threads, AAA players were understood to not really have much chance to move up barring injury, etc. This also means that I'm not saying all of these players need to be promoted right now. It's a promotion watch. Finally, as for the players you list and their "lacking peripherals": - It's been documented recently that Bowden is working on things in AAA like developing a slider and quickening his time to the plate from the stretch. Does anyone here really think he's not at least ready to be a spot starter? - Bates' numbers are improving greatly recently, including his K rate, which I'm assuming is the "lacking peripheral" you're referring to. Same thing with Bell. - Bell and Large are both old for AA. Bell probably would have been promoted to Pawtucket last season if he hadn't been hurt too. - Large's peripherals, while not sterling, really aren't that bad. What are you looking at on him that I'm missing? Again, he's REALLY old for AA and a promotion to Pawtucket is almost a necessity for him at midseason. This is also why guys like Fernandes are on there.
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TheGoldenGreek33		#16	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2505 05/17/09 9:18 PM Veteran Member	5/17 Update Pawtucket to Boston: Clay Buchholz (0.74 WHIP in 35 IP, 37/10 K/BB, 2.32 G/F) Michael Bowden (0.86 WHIP in 42 IP, 0 HRA) Portland to Pawtucket: TJ Large (1.15 WHIP in 17.3 IP, 1.04 ERA, .206 BAA) Dustin Richardson (1.22 WHIP in 23 IP, 30/14 K/BB, .175 BAA) Junichi Tazawa (1.18 WHIP in 43.3 IP, 42/13 K/BB, .238 BAA) Jorge Jiminez (.350/.414/.500, 27 RBI, 12 BB/11 K) Salem to Portland: Robert Coello (21/4 K/BB in 13 IP, 0.83 WHIP) Derrick Loop (1.20 WHIP in 25 IP, 25/10 K/BB) Eammon Portice (1.21 WHIP in 39.7 IP, 44/11 K/BB) Greenville to Salem: Anthony Rizzo (.290/.371/.443, 17/27 BB/K, 4 HR) Bryan Price (33/9 K/BB in 39/3 IP, .99 WHIP, .585 OPSa) Armando Zerpa (21/4 K/BB in 19.3 IP, .62 WHIP, .369 OPSa) Last Edited By: TheGoldenGreek33 05/17/09 9:51 PM. Edited 2 times.
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DesignatedForAssignment		#17	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 541 05/18/09 2:12 AM	Will the Rule 5 crunch hit the Sox hard this offseason?: Kris Johnson, RIchardson, Daeges, etc. Must play a role in Sox decision-making on promotions. http://wiki.soxprospects.com/Rule+5+Eligible+Players
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Arquimedez Bozo		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6607 05/18/09 8:32 AM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	Eh. Kotsay, Penny, Baldelli, and Smoltz come off the 40-man, and I wonder if they can be replaced internally. If he keeps hitting like he's been, I can't see Denker warranting a spot next year, and Velazquez and Bailey are guys who could possibly come off as well. They'll make room. You are right though - it does seem like a lot of guys will come up next year: Bates, Daeges, Jimenez, Johnson, Richardson, and the already eligible Bell are possible candidates (not saying all will NEED spots, as a few will depend on how they do this season).
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okin15		#19	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 72 05/18/09 10:38 AM	Arquimedez Bozo wrote: Eh. Kotsay, Penny, Baldelli, and Smoltz come off the 40-man, and I wonder if they can be replaced internally. If he keeps hitting like he's been, I can't see Denker warranting a spot next year, and Velazquez and Bailey are guys who could possibly come off as well. They'll make room. You are right though - it does seem like a lot of guys will come up next year: Bates, Daeges, Jimenez, Johnson, Richardson, and the already eligible Bell are possible candidates (not saying all will NEED spots, as a few will depend on how they do this season). I'm pretty sure there's already a thread for this (but can't find it). Also one over at SOSH. If not, it's much more in depth than this discussion and should be given a new thread. I'd be happy to repeat the posts I've made previously about the Sox making internal moves to fill ML holes, and having only 15 non-25-man spots for 12-20 players eligible.
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okin15		#20	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 73 05/18/09 10:41 AM	Arquimedez Bozo wrote: Again, he's REALLY old for AA and a promotion to Pawtucket is almost a necessity for him at midseason. I agree completely, but just wondering what happens to Ambres and others at that level when the Sox promote Bell et all? If one or the other must be released, then it's really a decision about who will be a better MLB backup going forward right? I suppose age plays a big role then.
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