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2009 International Signings Thread
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Posts: 4837 01/01/09 4:45 PM Mike Andrews |
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Posts: 4838 01/01/09 4:46 PM Mike Andrews |
The most recent discussion point:
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Posts: 4 01/01/09 11:29 PM |
Any word on when the Hams will post Yu Darvish.
Yahoo story thinks that when it happens it will bring in 75 mil. Seems like a big number in a down economy and a talent that's not yet at Matsuzaka's level. http://sports.yahoo.com/m...32308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns |
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Posts: 18 01/01/09 11:39 PM |
doesn't he want 200 wins in japan?
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Posts: 5032 02/11/09 5:55 PM Mike Andrews |
Just a shot in the dark here, but does anybody have an understanding of where the rules come from settting the "international scouting periods"? I
've read the ML Rules, the PBA, and the CBA, it doesn't seem to be in there. To the best of my understadning, the "early" international
signing period is between July 2 and August 31 (I've read some reports that it ends on August 20, but I've also seen a lot of confirmed signings
between Aug. 20-31). I also took a look back at the confirmed Red Sox international signings over the past six years, and there does seem to be a distinct set
of time periods when nearly all international signings take place:
(1) July 2 - August 31 (Early Signing Period) (2) September 7 - November 16 (Secondary Signing Period?) (3) January 20 - May 1 (Roster-Filler period?) (4) June 1-10 (for international HS graduates) Anybody know anything about this?
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Posts: 2525 02/11/09 6:23 PM Veteran Member |
As I understand it works like this:
- If you turn 16 after September 7th you are eligible to signed July 2 the following year. For example Tejeda turned 16 December 26, 2005 so he was eligible to signed July 2 the following year. The period is from the 2nd to Sept 7, if a player turns 16 in between this dates he can signed the day of his birth date. For example Angel Villalona was born 08/13/1990 that why he had to wait until his birth date to signed even though he had a fair amount of hype before July 2. - Basically there is one period but player signed all over the year because they couldn't land contracts the day they were available. - The rules are tied in with the date a league ends because a team can signed a player only if that player turns 16 by the end of the regular season. The Reds used this as a loop hole to signed Juan Duran. Everybody thought the last day of eligibility was Aug 31st but the Pioneer League ends Sept 7th and Duran was born Sept 2 so he was eligible to signed and didn't need to wait until July 2 of the following year like everybody else thought. This is what I've been able to gather over the years, as I said it is only one period but guys signed all over the year because they couldn't land contracts the day of their eligibility. Thats why many of the player that signed the other dates are names that we never hear, they don't warrant much attention unless they turn heads on the field. What I would say is that this are scouting cycle but that has nothing to do with whether a player is eligible for one period or the other.
A-Rod you and Barry Bonds are the best
player in the history of the game, don't believe the Cra**** this STUPID FANS say.
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Posts: 5033 02/11/09 6:43 PM Mike Andrews |
I think you're actually right, Norbit - players can sign at any time during the year once eligible, and the Early International Signing Period likely just
has to do with when top players can first become eligible. The reason for the other "periods" is probably just because of scouting cycles and other
contractual nuances. In practice, it probably breaks down loosely to something like this:
Early Signing Period (for the top players) - July 2 to End of MIL regular season Secondary Signing Cycle (for second-tier players) - End of MIL regular season to November 16 Roster-Filler Cycle (for teams to sign filler players for DSL/VSL squads) - January 20 - May 1 International HS Graduate Cycle (for international players who would have been eligble by age, but didn't sign because of HS eligibility) - June 1-10
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Posts: 1894 02/11/09 6:47 PM Veteran Member |
Hey Mike. I'm told you should look at MLR 3(a)(1)(B)(ii).
I love it when lawyers talk dirty. |
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Posts: 1898 02/18/09 10:11 AM Veteran Member |
http://sportsillustrated..../mlb/02/17/nats.gonzalez/ |
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Posts: 79 02/18/09 10:19 AM |
So what exactly can the Nationals do here?
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Posts: 230 02/18/09 10:34 AM Veteran Member |
"So what exactly can the Nationals do here?" Take the opportunity to fire Bowden.
"Pedroia thinks he's yet to see a pitcher that he thinks is any good," Murphy said. "That's his secret. He's 5-foot-6, balding, can't run, can't throw, he's weak, and it's true. But he believes that he's as strong and as big and as fast as anybody."
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Posts: 2534 02/18/09 2:23 PM Veteran Member |
This could get even better since he was one of the guys involve in the skimming scandal.
A-Rod you and Barry Bonds are the best
player in the history of the game, don't believe the Cra**** this STUPID FANS say.
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Posts: 5879 02/18/09 2:34 PM Chris Hatfield
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If this player isn't who he purports himself to be in the contract, I would assume the Nationals can easily void it and demand the bonus back. Whether he
still has the money is another story, but it'll be worth the legal fees for them.
"they should go to soxprospect so that BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - A SoxProspects.com
Legend
"I live in Portland...about 5 blocks from Hadley, I'm for it if you think I can take him in a fight....if not, I oppose the move." - LennSakata |
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Posts: 748 02/19/09 1:48 AM Veteran Member |
Clay Davenport, who does all the league + age translation magic for BP has an unfiltered blog post about Lugo aka Gonzalez. Ever wonder what the difference is
between a 19 year old and a 23 year old in the GCL? It's not pretty:
Not that he was going to play this year, but cross Esmailyn 'Smiley' Gonzalez off your prospect sheets. It seems he's really named Carlos Lugo, and he's 23, not 19. Last year he played in the Gulf Coast League; when we thought he was 19, that GCL season rated as having a future peak value of .271/.364/.411, a healthy .272 eqa, and clearly a major-league quality future. As a 23-year-old in the GCL, it has a future value of .237/.302/.335, a basically worthless .225 eqa. |
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2009 International Signings Thread -- Looking for the next Jose Jose | #14 | ||
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Posts: 911 04/18/09 6:08 PM |
ESPN
•The fight for the top Dominican amateur bonus this year appears to be between Sanchez, outfielder Wagner Mateo, catcher Jacob Beltre and shortstop Miguel Angel Sano. No player is expected to receive as much as the $4.2 million given last year by the Oakland A's to pitcher Michel Inoa. The most interesting fight within the fight may be between the catchers Sanchez and Beltre. Both are clearly at the top of their positions, and both wield powerful bats. Of the two, scouts say that Sanchez is more advanced defensively, but one National league scout said he still prefers Beltre, who was formerly an outfielder making the transition to catcher. "To me Beltre plays the game with more passion than I've seen with Sanchez," he said. "Beltre just has an enthusiasm you can't teach." Wagner Mateo "a sweet-swinging outfielder who will compete for this year's highest signing bonus, likely more than $2 million", shortstop Miguel Angel Sano, "a shortstop with a booming bat and a laser, rocket arm who baseball people say could command $3 million." Victor Payano and Miguel Sel Cairo are two other tall dominican lefty's that already throw in the mid 90s Another is Noel Arguellez (the Cuban who fled the junior team in canada, represented by viciedo's same agent) The lefty apparently throws 93-95 with a good curve. There are also two Koreans, Sung-Bum Na and another, supposed to get signing bonuses close to 7 figures |
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Posts: 841 04/18/09 11:11 PM Veteran Member |
Link to ESPN?
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Posts: 913 04/19/09 8:27 AM |
Perhaps not ESPN, though I'd seen that attribution so included it. I've now found the article posted here:
http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=17&nav=messages&webtag=ml-pirates&tid=52202 |
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Posts: 1944 04/22/09 4:04 PM |
Does anyone know what finally happened with Edward Salcedo from last year?
"Being Scandinavian myself, I can tell you that Lars is the name of the mythological Norse God of Batting." Drew (Pacific Prospect Report) |
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Posts: 5564 04/24/09 4:59 PM Mike Andrews |
This really hasn't been reported anywhere (besides the transactiosn thread, the international signings page, and maybe some whispers on the board), but the
Sox have signed the following players since January 1:
Luis Diaz - RHP, Venezuela Eduardo Medina - RHP, Venezuela Curtney Doran - RF, Curacao Kuery De La Cruz - CF, Dominican Republic None appear to be big ticket signings. |
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Posts: 940 05/05/09 1:45 PM |
With regard to 15-year-old shortstop Miguel Angel Sano one of the best prospects available in the upcoming July 2 period:
"Moreno keeps a running list of the teams Sano has tried out for, and he chuckles when asked about it. As he starts to list off teams that are interested in Sano - Boston, Tampa, the New York Yankees, Seattle, Texas, Houston, the Chicago Cubs, Colorado - it becomes clear he's talking about every team in MLB."http://www.globalpost.com...n-dreams-part-2?page=0,1 |
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Posts: 944 05/06/09 9:22 PM |
southernredsoxality wrote:http://dominicanbaseballu...009/05/salcedo-case.html JCE seems to be the MLB International examination office.
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