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grandsalami		#521	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 287 01/17/12 11:32 PM	thecubreporter @thecubreporter Follow Sun-Times says #Cubs and #RedSox have asked Selig to determine Theo compensation. goo.gl/y1imy
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remember04		#522	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 543 01/18/12 1:12 AM	grandsalami wrote: thecubreporter @thecubreporter Follow Sun-Times says #Cubs and #RedSox have asked Selig to determine Theo compensation. goo.gl/y1imy At first I thought that would be bad for the sox but with the talks of what we would get lately I think it may bode well for us. I'm still not expecting much but maybe we'll get something.
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Yirmiyahu		#523	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3879 01/18/12 1:40 AM Forum Moderator	remember04 wrote: grandsalami wrote: thecubreporter @thecubreporter Follow Sun-Times says #Cubs and #RedSox have asked Selig to determine Theo compensation. goo.gl/y1imy At first I thought that would be bad for the sox but with the talks of what we would get lately I think it may bode well for us. I'm still not expecting much but maybe we'll get something. I'm one of the people who thought the Red Sox muffed this situation, but it doesn't look that way here: The Red Sox have argued that Epstein is more valuable than MacPhail or any manager. Epstein’s five-year, $18.5 million contract with the Cubs and his rock-star reception in Chicago support that argument. The Cubs’ major problem began with the original call in early October from team president Crane Kenney to Lucchino requesting permission to talk to Epstein, who had a year left on his Red Sox contract. That was followed by the Cubs’ quick interview process and agreement on terms with Epstein before resolving compensation. Going at the process “backwards,” as baseball insiders called to it, gave the Red Sox a sizable upper hand in compensation talks. The hard-nosed Lucchino was intent on gaining a significant player or package of players, at various points floating names such as top pitcher Matt Garza and top prospect Brett Jackson. It took Selig to intervene to get the teams to formally announce Epstein’s deal and set a Nov. 1 deadline for compensation. Sounds like the Cubs screwed up by announcing the deal with Theo, the Red Sox recognized their bargaining strength and were willing to wait out the Cubs, but Selig forced them into this corner they're in now. Though I still think the Sox (and Selig and the Cubs) made a mistake by not at least agreeing on a process. An arbitration hearing, a list of names, a block-X select-Y procedure, appointing a third-party decisionmaker, etc.
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Guidas		#524	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2514 01/18/12 1:01 PM	If Larry Lucchino gets Garza for Epstein I will never, ever, EVER talk shit about him again. In fact, next time I see him at Fenway, I will offer to shine his shoes and if he say yes, I'll post the photo to this site.
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sarasoxer		#525	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 220 01/18/12 1:17 PM	Guidas wrote: If Larry Lucchino gets Garza for Epstein I will never, ever, EVER talk shit about him again. In fact, next time I see him at Fenway, I will offer to shine his shoes and if he say yes, I'll post the photo to this site. You're not a big risk taker are you?.....
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Guidas		#526	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2515 01/18/12 1:25 PM	sarasoxer wrote: Guidas wrote: If Larry Lucchino gets Garza for Epstein I will never, ever, EVER talk shit about him again. In fact, next time I see him at Fenway, I will offer to shine his shoes and if he say yes, I'll post the photo to this site. You're not a big risk taker are you?..... I've been arrested enough. Life is different once you get a mortgage.
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BorisMan		#527	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 904 01/23/12 6:56 AM Veteran Member	Yirmiyahu wrote: Sounds like the Cubs screwed up by announcing the deal with Theo, the Red Sox recognized their bargaining strength and were willing to wait out the Cubs, but Selig forced them into this corner they're in now. Though I still think the Sox (and Selig and the Cubs) made a mistake by not at least agreeing on a process. An arbitration hearing, a list of names, a block-X select-Y procedure, appointing a third-party decisionmaker, etc. The Cubs also screwed up by agreeing to "significant compensation" and then saying they thought it was in terms of $ when Sox asked for whatever players they asked for. When this goes to arbitration the Sox will agrue "since when have managers and/or baseball execs left to go to another team and received $ and not prospects as compensation?" Does this happen and has it happened recently?
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nheck		#528	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 301 01/23/12 2:21 PM	In light of recent news I'm starting to think the best deal we could get out of this is a Byrd for Jenks swap, with the Cubs paying all of Byrd's sallary. You know, two birds, one stone. I once lost a bet on who would have the highest season SLG% because of a scorer. The guy I had a bet with had a clear error ruled a double in the last game of the season and it was the margin of victory. It was amateur baseball and normally not something you would remember but in this case, the bet was who was going to ask a hot chick named Brin out after she lost her loser boyfriend. The other guy won, she broke up with her bf and he took her out. A year later they got married. Did I mention that she was hot, very hot ? Oh yeah, the official scorer was the other guys mother. I hate official scorers. - LCBF
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Steve of Charlotte		#529	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 587 01/23/12 3:09 PM	I like that Byrd for Jenks swap. Probably won't happen, but it would handle many things including our need for a RH outfielder. I wish Selig would just "get er done". I'm tired of this back and forth. How, in their right mind, could they figure Theo would give a lot of value to himself. Come on Bud.....lets move on. You are making the big bucks!
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Guidas		#530	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2529 01/23/12 3:16 PM	The compensation is tied to the Scutaro move. Sox are getting Garza and have to cover his salary. Ok, back to the tequila and crack.
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BNich0622		#531	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 347 01/23/12 3:50 PM	Guidas wrote: The compensation is tied to the Scutaro move. Sox are getting Garza and have to cover his salary. Ok, back to the tequila and crack. Wait what?!
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Steve of Charlotte		#532	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 588 01/23/12 6:12 PM	That tequila and crack will do it to you everytime.
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Steve Dillard		#533	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1670 01/28/12 1:05 PM	The Sox and Cubs submitted competing offers to a Mr. Selif. January 27, 2012\|By Dave van Dyck, Tribune reporter The Cubs and Red Sox have submitted written proposals – thought to include names of players – to commissioner Bid Selif in hopes of settling their dispute over compensation for Theo Epstein switching allegiance. . .. “In this case, I did give the clubs more latitude and hoped they could come to some conclusion. But they didn’t and now it’s my case.” http://articles.chicagotr...sation-twitter-davandyck
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remember04		#534	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 552 01/28/12 2:52 PM	commissioner Bid Selif Who??? One of these days I'll look into this thread and god help me there'll actually be a name or names of the actual compensation. Looks like things are getting close. I hope Mr. Selif is on our side.
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adiospaydro2005		#535	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2421 01/28/12 3:42 PM Veteran Member	Here's hoping Jeimer Candelario is on Ben's list. Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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ozebaseball		#536	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1481 01/28/12 3:56 PM	remember04 wrote: One of these days I'll look into this thread and god help me there'll actually be a name or names of the actual compensation. Here's hoping. Still, you'd be a brave bastard to hold your breath... Tomorrow is valentines day here in Brazil, my girlfriend has work to do and won't likely be with me. Any good milf movies? - DonCaballero 11/6/11
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MaineSox		#537	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 120 01/28/12 4:01 PM	I'm kinda-sorta hoping the compensation could be the Cubs taking Jenks and his contract (and I'm actually a fan of Jenks at the back end of the 'pen), if it means the Sox would have more money to spend on the rotation. The only problem with that is there isn't a lot left out there to spend the money on unless it's just to make a bigger offer to Oswalt/Jackson.
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Arquimedez Bozo		#538	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12718 01/28/12 4:38 PM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	It's highly unlikely that Selig is going to decide compensation to be something as significant as the Cubs having to take on $6M in salary, or that he'll have a significant major leaguer change teams. There is zero precedent for something like that. Remember, Selig works for the owners - he's not going to screw one of them over monetarily. It's going to be a minor leaguer, and one likely not on the 40-man roster. My guess is it's something along the lines of a Fabian Williamson/Chris Balcom-Miller type guy. "I think the baby is sleeping right now." - Jonathan Singer Twitter: @ChrisHatfield/@SoxProspects / SoxProspects on Facebook
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pedroiayouk1520		#539	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 220 01/28/12 5:52 PM	At this point, wouldn't Jenks for Randy Wells be a solid ending to this saga? Wells is only due just over $2M, so this deal could give the Sox a decent #4/5 SP and would probably get them under the luxury tax. I guess the main question is how will Wells pitch in the ALE? His Opp BAvg the past few years has been around .270 and he strikes out about 6/9inn. WHIP around 1.40 and ERA in the 4+ range. Appears to be more of a fly-ball pitcher. But I mean, its better than Padilla/Silva/Cook or at least would be solid depth. Plus, it would guarantee that one of Bard/Aceves goes back to then pen, which I'd prefer.
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Yirmiyahu		#540	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3920 01/28/12 6:02 PM Forum Moderator	If we traded Jenks for Wells, we'd still be over the luxury tax cap. And he's no better than Padilla/Cook/Silva, but comes with less roster flexibility. I'd rather have the Cubs' 30th ranked prospect. ADD: I think a trade as part of compensation is extremely unlikely. They couldn't even agree on the value of the Theo comp itself. To suggest a trade just adds another variable that they'd need to agree on. http://twitter.com/YirmiyahuStats Last Edited By: Yirmiyahu 01/28/12 6:05 PM. Edited 1 time.
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