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Bury the Hammer		#21	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1625 01/21/12 6:28 PM Veteran Member	totheights wrote: Bury the Hammer wrote: I don't get it. If it hasn't been made abundantly clear yet, it is simple. Our owners are being cheap this offseason. The bottom line is more important than the win totals. No, there's clearly another shoe to drop. And I'm fine with the SS platoon. I'm just stunned this is the best they could get for Scutaro. I literally can't find one thing to like about Mortensen.
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Yirmiyahu		#22	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3884 01/21/12 6:30 PM Forum Moderator	I'm finally coming around to the belief that the Sox are conceding the season in order to sneak under the luxury tax cap.
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adiospaydro2005		#23	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2415 01/21/12 6:32 PM Veteran Member	What a bullshit move, weakening a position up the middle and getting back Mortenson would be lucky to make the PawSox. Check out his 2011 numbers at Colorado Springs... WL ERA WHIP 2-8 9.42 2.078 I assume that they are just going to DFA him. They would have been better off trading for a player to be named and hoping the majority of the fanbase forgets that they traded a starting major league shortstop for a batting practice pitcher. http://www.baseball-refer...ayer.cgi?id=morten001cla Neither Aviles nor Punto is any where close to a league average major league shortstop. Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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Archie Graham		#24	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3483 01/21/12 6:33 PM	I don't think the Sox can swap Scutaro for Oswalt/Floyd and get under the luxury tax. In other words, don't be surprised if there is no other shoe to drop.... if getting under the tax is the major offseason motivation.
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norbit14		#25	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 4081 01/21/12 6:33 PM Veteran Member	$h!t the Sawx owners are so cheap that they have the 2nd highest payroll in MLB and spent 142+151 on two players last season, one of which has been a disappointment. So effing cheap. I'll wait until more happens but the return does not look good. Am Dominican and you??
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totheights		#26	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 228 01/21/12 6:33 PM	grandsalami wrote: totheights wrote: Bury the Hammer wrote: I don't get it. If it hasn't been made abundantly clear yet, it is simple. Our owners are being cheap this offseason. The bottom line is more important than the win totals. are sox fans really that spoiled that we can't handle ONE year of not making big FA signings? the yankees did the same last year. and the last few BIG FA signings have not turned out well. Lakcey (no) Jenks (no) dice-k (no) CC (no so far). the last two off seasons we broke the bank, and still didn't make the playoffs I don't care how we acquire players. Fact of the matter is when Henry and Co. took over they said winning was the only thing they would accept. We haven't improved one bit on our team that missed the playoffs last year, in fact you could even argue that we got worse. So if that is spoiled, so be it. I am spoiled. If the owners came our and said we are going to worry about the bottom line before winning, I would be mad but could respect that. Talk is cheap. The team hasn't won anything in 4 seasons and missed the playoffs in the past two. Significant improvements needed to be made and they haven't even come close to doing that. Trading our starting shortshop who is likely one of the top 10 ones in the league...for literally nothing, is just plain dumb.
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grandsalami		#27	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 293 01/21/12 6:34 PM	totheights wrote: grandsalami wrote: totheights wrote: Bury the Hammer wrote: I don't get it. If it hasn't been made abundantly clear yet, it is simple. Our owners are being cheap this offseason. The bottom line is more important than the win totals. are sox fans really that spoiled that we can't handle ONE year of not making big FA signings? the yankees did the same last year. and the last few BIG FA signings have not turned out well. Lakcey (no) Jenks (no) dice-k (no) CC (no so far). the last two off seasons we broke the bank, and still didn't make the playoffs I don't care how we acquire players. Fact of the matter is when Henry and Co. took over they said winning was the only thing they would accept. We haven't improved one bit on our team that missed the playoffs last year, in fact you could even argue that we got worse. So if that is spoiled, so be it. I am spoiled. If the owners came our and said we are going to worry about the bottom line before winning, I would be mad but could respect that. Talk is cheap. The team hasn't won anything in 4 seasons and missed the playoffs in the past two. Significant improvements needed to be made and they haven't even come close to doing that. Trading our starting shortshop who is likely one of the top 10 ones in the league...for literally nothing, is just plain dumb. better then spending shit load of money like the last two off seasons and get no results
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totheights		#28	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 229 01/21/12 6:36 PM	grandsalami wrote: totheights wrote: grandsalami wrote: totheights wrote: Bury the Hammer wrote: I don't get it. If it hasn't been made abundantly clear yet, it is simple. Our owners are being cheap this offseason. The bottom line is more important than the win totals. are sox fans really that spoiled that we can't handle ONE year of not making big FA signings? the yankees did the same last year. and the last few BIG FA signings have not turned out well. Lakcey (no) Jenks (no) dice-k (no) CC (no so far). the last two off seasons we broke the bank, and still didn't make the playoffs I don't care how we acquire players. Fact of the matter is when Henry and Co. took over they said winning was the only thing they would accept. We haven't improved one bit on our team that missed the playoffs last year, in fact you could even argue that we got worse. So if that is spoiled, so be it. I am spoiled. If the owners came our and said we are going to worry about the bottom line before winning, I would be mad but could respect that. Talk is cheap. The team hasn't won anything in 4 seasons and missed the playoffs in the past two. Significant improvements needed to be made and they haven't even come close to doing that. Trading our starting shortshop who is likely one of the top 10 ones in the league...for literally nothing, is just plain dumb. better then spending shit load of money like the last two off seasons and get no results It sure is for the owners. As long as they don't try to play it off like they are doing everything in their power to win....
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grandsalami		#29	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 294 01/21/12 6:38 PM	totheights wrote: grandsalami wrote: totheights wrote: grandsalami wrote: totheights wrote: Bury the Hammer wrote: I don't get it. If it hasn't been made abundantly clear yet, it is simple. Our owners are being cheap this offseason. The bottom line is more important than the win totals. are sox fans really that spoiled that we can't handle ONE year of not making big FA signings? the yankees did the same last year. and the last few BIG FA signings have not turned out well. Lakcey (no) Jenks (no) dice-k (no) CC (no so far). the last two off seasons we broke the bank, and still didn't make the playoffs I don't care how we acquire players. Fact of the matter is when Henry and Co. took over they said winning was the only thing they would accept. We haven't improved one bit on our team that missed the playoffs last year, in fact you could even argue that we got worse. So if that is spoiled, so be it. I am spoiled. If the owners came our and said we are going to worry about the bottom line before winning, I would be mad but could respect that. Talk is cheap. The team hasn't won anything in 4 seasons and missed the playoffs in the past two. Significant improvements needed to be made and they haven't even come close to doing that. Trading our starting shortshop who is likely one of the top 10 ones in the league...for literally nothing, is just plain dumb. better then spending shit load of money like the last two off seasons and get no results It sure is for the owners. As long as they don't try to play it off like they are doing everything in their power to win.... how did spending very little work out for the yankees last offseason? how did spending huge $$$ the last two off seasons work for the sox?
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charliezink16		#30	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1029 01/21/12 6:38 PM	grandsalami wrote: totheights wrote: Bury the Hammer wrote: I don't get it. If it hasn't been made abundantly clear yet, it is simple. Our owners are being cheap this offseason. The bottom line is more important than the win totals. are sox fans really that spoiled that we can't handle ONE year of not making big FA signings? the yankees did the same last year. and the last few BIG FA signings have not turned out well. Lakcey (no) Jenks (no) dice-k (no) CC (no so far). the last two off seasons we broke the bank, and still didn't make the playoffs It's not as much the entire offseason that some people are disappointed about, it's more about the fact that we just gave away a solid starting SS for pretty much nothing. In terms of Mortensen, he's supposed to be a sinkerballer with solid ground ball rates and Boston is viewing him as a starter. If Boston ends up signing Oswalt then i'm fine with the deal. Otherwise it's disappointing. Twitter (Tweet about Sox alot) YouTube Account
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adiospaydro2005		#31	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2416 01/21/12 6:40 PM Veteran Member	Interesting timing of the pure salary dump for Scutaro a couple of days after the deadline for season ticket renewals and on the eve of the AFC Championship. Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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totheights		#32	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 230 01/21/12 6:40 PM	grandsalami wrote: totheights wrote: grandsalami wrote: totheights wrote: grandsalami wrote: totheights wrote: Bury the Hammer wrote: I don't get it. If it hasn't been made abundantly clear yet, it is simple. Our owners are being cheap this offseason. The bottom line is more important than the win totals. are sox fans really that spoiled that we can't handle ONE year of not making big FA signings? the yankees did the same last year. and the last few BIG FA signings have not turned out well. Lakcey (no) Jenks (no) dice-k (no) CC (no so far). the last two off seasons we broke the bank, and still didn't make the playoffs I don't care how we acquire players. Fact of the matter is when Henry and Co. took over they said winning was the only thing they would accept. We haven't improved one bit on our team that missed the playoffs last year, in fact you could even argue that we got worse. So if that is spoiled, so be it. I am spoiled. If the owners came our and said we are going to worry about the bottom line before winning, I would be mad but could respect that. Talk is cheap. The team hasn't won anything in 4 seasons and missed the playoffs in the past two. Significant improvements needed to be made and they haven't even come close to doing that. Trading our starting shortshop who is likely one of the top 10 ones in the league...for literally nothing, is just plain dumb. better then spending shit load of money like the last two off seasons and get no results It sure is for the owners. As long as they don't try to play it off like they are doing everything in their power to win.... how did spending very little work out for the yankees last offseason? how did spending huge $$$ the last two off seasons work for the sox? Once again, that is fine. Just don't try to spin it to the fans like the owners are doing as much as possible to win. They didn't have to spend like crazy to improve. Bottom line first, win second. Those are clearly the priorities of the owners.
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beasleyrockah		#33	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 382 01/21/12 6:41 PM	Full disclaimer: They obviously have another move(s) coming, so I'll reserve full judgement until the opening day roster is finalized. However... If they were going to have this hard of a budget, to the point where they're cutting cost effective talent for nothing, they shouldn't have offered Ortiz arbitration. I'm sure they didn't think he'd accept, but that's on them for misinterpreting the market, and the risk of acceptance was real (and outweighed the draft pick & depression of his market imo). He was the luxury the Red Sox could do without...now they have two new holes, the same pitching hole, and quite possibly a worse bullpen. If Ortiz wasn't a baseball move and was a "keep the icon" type move, ownership should've extended the budget. If baseball ops was told the budget, and felt allocating that much to Ortiz was a good idea, shame on them.
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pedroiayouk1520		#34	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 205 01/21/12 6:42 PM	Archie Graham wrote: I don't think the Sox can swap Scutaro for Oswalt/Floyd and get under the luxury tax. In other words, don't be surprised if there is no other shoe to drop.... if getting under the tax is the major offseason motivation. I just posted about this in the Luxury Tax thread. The Sox can get under pretty easily now. In fact, at this point in time, they are under. Floyd's AAV is only 3.875M. If the Sox simply pick up Lackey's option or even win the Papi arbitration case, they could trade for Floyd and still be under the $178M mark.
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totheights		#35	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 231 01/21/12 6:44 PM	Why did we even pick up Scutaro's option if we were going to try to get under the Luxury Tax and trade him for nothing?
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Yirmiyahu		#36	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3885 01/21/12 6:44 PM Forum Moderator	Here's what you need to know about Clayton Mortensen. He was DFA'd by Oakland a year ago. He is out of options. In MLB, he has a career 5.12 ERA, 5.58 FIP, and 4.74 K/9. He spent 4 seasons in AAA with 3 different organizations and put up the following line: 446.7 IP, 5.26 ERA, 6.5 K/9, 3.5 BB/9, 1.2 HR/9. He is not very good at pitching a baseball.
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totheights		#37	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 232 01/21/12 6:45 PM	pedroiayouk1520 wrote: Archie Graham wrote: I don't think the Sox can swap Scutaro for Oswalt/Floyd and get under the luxury tax. In other words, don't be surprised if there is no other shoe to drop.... if getting under the tax is the major offseason motivation. I just posted about this in the Luxury Tax thread. The Sox can get under pretty easily now. In fact, at this point in time, they are under. Floyd's AAV is only 3.875M. If the Sox simply pick up Lackey's option or even win the Papi arbitration case, they could trade for Floyd and still be under the $178M mark. Oswalt: The Scutaro trade frees up some $$ for #RedSox to make an "aggressive bid’’ for Roy Oswalt, said a baseball source -Crasnick on Twitter
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grandsalami		#38	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 295 01/21/12 6:45 PM	Phil Rogers @ChiTribRogers 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open #redsox's trade of M Scutaro raises possibility -- Gavin Floyd talks w/#whitesox expand to include SS Alexei Ramirez or Eduardo Escobar.
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mredsox89		#39	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1679 01/21/12 6:47 PM	Yet again, we have to wait and see what the other moves are. If making this move right now as a salary dump, rather than waiting a few weeks and maybe getting a little more, allows the Sox to make a deal for Floyd and maybe pick up another option at SS, then this move makes sense. Now if no other moves are made, then yea, this move blows
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adiospaydro2005		#40	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2417 01/21/12 6:49 PM Veteran Member	2012 Red Sox starting lineup Ellsbury Pedroia Gonzalez Ortiz Youkilis Salty MacDonald Aviles/Punto Sweeney That bottom third of the lineup will probably be one of the worst in MLB in 2012. Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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