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Red Sox Acquire Andrew Bailey

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adiospaydro2005		#61	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2404 12/28/11 8:12 PM Veteran Member	Here's a transcript of Cherington's press conference regarding the Bailey trade... http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2011/12/28/ben-cherington-talks-andrew-bailey-daniel-bard-and-the-red-sox-right-field-situation/ He talks about internal options for RF, including Sweeney, McDonald and Aviles, each of which is not very inspiring. Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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jmei		#62	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1419 12/28/11 8:14 PM Forum Moderator	Sweeney would be an ideal 4th/5th outfielder if we had some right-handed hitters in our outfield (say, Andruw Jones or a trade for Carlos Quentin). His profile is Kalish without the speed and slightly less power. I honestly think he'd outperform Kalish, at least for the first few months of the season. And his salary is reasonable, especially since the Sox appeared resigned to spending over the tax this year.
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Sibby Sisti		#63	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 645 12/28/11 8:16 PM	Wonder what Boras is planning now for Madsen with his options rapidly dwindling.
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adiospaydro2005		#64	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2405 12/28/11 8:21 PM Veteran Member	jmei wrote: Sweeney would be an ideal 4th/5th outfielder if we had some right-handed hitters in our outfield (say, Andruw Jones or a trade for Carlos Quentin). His profile is Kalish without the speed and slightly less power. I honestly think he'd outperform Kalish, at least for the first few months of the season. And his salary is reasonable, especially since the Sox appeared resigned to spending over the tax this year. That's setting a very low bar, particularly since Kalish will be coming off surgery to repair a bulging disk in his neck. Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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buffs44444		#65	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1970 12/28/11 8:23 PM	Like Bailey a lot, he's got the right demeanor for this market and definitely has the ability to succeed here. That being said, his injury history as well as his propensity to pitch up in the strike zone and also to rely (a lot) on his fastball scare the hell out of me. Ben has set this up very well in that we have 3 good young potential closers on this team now, meaning there are options if Bailey misses time or stumbles at all. Overall good return for the cost and I think the team will handle Bailey cautiously given his injury history. I'm very interested to see the remaining moves now that we appear to have completed the work on the 'pen with this move. Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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Sibby Sisti		#66	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 646 12/28/11 9:00 PM	Pen appears set: Bailey Melanson Aceves (if not SP) Jenks Albers Morales (L) Doubront (L) Bowden? Miller should get a shot in ST as #5 starter providing no acquisitions. Last Edited By: Sibby Sisti 12/28/11 9:08 PM. Edited 1 time.
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ArodSucksAtLife		#67	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 4699 12/28/11 9:10 PM Veteran Member	I'm suprised, I figured the general response to this trade would be more along the lines of.... You make this trade 1000 times out of a 1000. Fantastic job Ben. Does this mean we know your position on sodomy then?- raftsox
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DonCaballero		#68	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1337 12/28/11 9:10 PM	adiospaydro2005 wrote: DonCaballero wrote: adiospaydro2005 wrote: Agreed. I also don't understand Sweeney coming along in the trade as he is a one-tool player (defense) who is nothing more than a late inning replacement or depth for Pawtuckett. He is not someone who you can afford to play even on a RH/LH platoon basis as he can't hit. You know, his career OBP in the majors is higher than Reddick's in the majors or in the minors. IMHO, Sweeney is nothing more than a salary dump and a 5th OF at best with little to no power and great defense. Certainly not someone who warrants regular at bats for a contending team. He has a better career OPS than Sam Fuld, basically the same as Brett Gardner, is a much better defender than both and both got "regular at bats" for teams that beat us in the division this past year.
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Guidas		#69	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2461 12/28/11 9:31 PM	Sibby Sisti wrote: Pen appears set: Bailey Melanson Aceves (if not SP) Jenks Albers Morales (L) Doubront (L) Bowden? Miller should get a shot in ST as #5 starter providing no acquisitions. They are pretty high on Tazawa, too. Not sure if Ironman Bobby Jenks will be ready for spring training given his recent surgery.
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Steve of Charlotte		#70	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 563 12/28/11 9:34 PM	Actually Sweeney is a decent player. I wish he was right-handed, but he not a throw away. I still remember a lot of positive chatter about him leading up to the draft. We had several members mention him highly. I must admit, after today's trade, that I feel better. Our pen has gotten, pretty much, as strong as last year, and with Aceves and Bard we may be OK in the rotation. We still need another arm, but things are a little less pressing than they were yesterday. Way to go Ben Cherington!
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DCB26		#71	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 34 12/28/11 9:40 PM	buffs44444 wrote: Like Bailey a lot, he's got the right demeanor for this market and definitely has the ability to succeed here. That being said, his injury history as well as his propensity to pitch up in the strike zone and also to rely (a lot) on his fastball scare the hell out of me. Ben has set this up very well in that we have 3 good young potential closers on this team now, meaning there are options if Bailey misses time or stumbles at all. Overall good return for the cost and I think the team will handle Bailey cautiously given his injury history. I'm very interested to see the remaining moves now that we appear to have completed the work on the 'pen with this move. This I completely agree with, there are definitely options in the pen, and having more good relief pitching is never a bad thing. Aceves-Meleancon-Bailey could well be a very effective pen at the end of a game, and it is highly likely that at some point it becomes Aceves-Melancon-Bailey-Bard, which sounds pretty impressive aside from the need for some LHP. However, I just don't understand what part of Andrew Bailey the closer I'm supposed to be excited about...I haven't seen Bailey pitch more than a handful of times, so is there something beyond the numbers that I'm missing?
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Guidas		#72	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2462 12/28/11 9:44 PM	Really, if Oakland is selling couldn't the Sox have offered them the "Gio" package for Anderson. He makes more than Sweeney and I'm sure the Sox would throw Wilson and Ranaudo into the deal with Middlebrooks.
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Ben Hall		#73	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 49 12/28/11 10:04 PM	DonCaballero wrote: adiospaydro2005 wrote: DonCaballero wrote: adiospaydro2005 wrote: Agreed. I also don't understand Sweeney coming along in the trade as he is a one-tool player (defense) who is nothing more than a late inning replacement or depth for Pawtuckett. He is not someone who you can afford to play even on a RH/LH platoon basis as he can't hit. You know, his career OBP in the majors is higher than Reddick's in the majors or in the minors. IMHO, Sweeney is nothing more than a salary dump and a 5th OF at best with little to no power and great defense. Certainly not someone who warrants regular at bats for a contending team. He has a better career OPS than Sam Fuld, basically the same as Brett Gardner, is a much better defender than both and both got "regular at bats" for teams that beat us in the division this past year. I'm with you on the general point, that Sweeney is a decent player. Good OBP, good fielder. But Brett Gardner has been the best defensive corner outfielder in the majors last two years, and it's not even close. Generally, I can't believe people are even worried about right field. The Sox got crap out of right field last year and their offense was still miles ahead of every team in the majors other than the Yankees. I could play right field for the Sox next year and the team would be fine.
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mpaxisa		#74	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 285 12/28/11 10:09 PM	Ben Hall wrote: DonCaballero wrote: He has a better career OPS than Sam Fuld, basically the same as Brett Gardner, is a much better defender than both and both got "regular at bats" for teams that beat us in the division this past year. I'm with you on the general point, that Sweeney is a decent player. Good OBP, good fielder. But Brett Gardner has been the best defensive corner outfielder in the majors last two years, and it's not even close. Fuld and Gardner also steal bases.
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pedroiayouk1520		#75	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 193 12/28/11 10:18 PM	WOW, what a great trade. By only giving up Reddick, the Sox can still trade for someone like Gavin Floyd to fill the #4 spot in the rotation. I hope this means that Aceves stays in the multi-inning relief role and Bard takes the #5 spot in the rotation. I think the Sox need a solid, proven guy in the #4 spot and a flyer for the #5 spot. It makes sense to go with Bard because he has huge upside, where Aceves would probably be medoicre. In my opinion, based on stuff and body type, I see it as Bard = Buchholz potential and Aceves = DiceK potential.
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Yirmiyahu		#76	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3813 12/29/11 12:01 AM Forum Moderator	It's hard for me to get excited about this trade for a number of reasons. I don't like the idea of giving up prospects for a reliever, especially when the new CBA will make prospects harder to acquire. And Bailey gets overrated because of the closer label and his home park.... On the other hand, we gave up surprisingly little. While I agree with the posters above that Reddick isn't chopped liver, I've personally always been leery of Reddick because of his discipline issues, and saw him as a bit of a 'sell high' candidate this offseason... Overall, I have no complaints about this deal. I'm guessing Sweeney ostensibly 'battles' Kalish for the LH half of the RF job in spring training, but its primarily a matter of injury protection. He probably still makes the team if everyone is healthy, but it'd be as a little-used 4th bench guy.
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stats39		#77	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 151 12/29/11 12:20 AM	What an awesome deal. A classic sell high, buy low. Imaging how much Bailey would have comanded last season. There is no gaurantee, and I still think Paplebon is a much safer bet but, but Bailey is younger and has 3 years control. Expand this trade to include Papelbon and it looks something like this, Papelbon Reddick Alcantara Head Bailey Sweeney 2 first round picks Probably a huge win when you factor the payrole flexibility and the upside on the 2 picks. Good job Ben.
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Boomerangs		#78	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 344 12/29/11 1:56 AM	Reddick is better than anyone else we had in RF and he was optimized for Fenway. I've got to believe that they are not going into 2012 relying on existing personnel in RF. They will acquire someone else new IMO, probably RH. I really liked Reddick and Bailey is a clear injury risk. Hopefully this is about Oakland saving money but there is a very good chance our guy spends 2 years near worthless from an injury while Reddick emerges as a decent RF with a year of PT.
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ozebaseball		#79	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1474 12/29/11 4:33 AM	I really like Reddick as a player but I'm with ASAL. You do this trade every time and don't think twice; classic buy low, sell high move. Yeah sure Andrew Bailey has injury question marks, but Ben has addressed them pretty comprehensively, they aren't going into this blind. And whilst things always could go south, you're never acquiring a perfect player and there's always risk. A lot of the people who are now tentative on losing Reddick were advocating further FA acquisitions for RF. If that's the case, then you're giving up a backup outfielder (albeit a good one) a lottery ticket and a good prospect who no matter how much he develops over the next 6 years, is blocked. When you make a trade you have to give up something to get something; with that said I can't imagine a trade where the Red Sox could have "won" more. Including the Melancon trade I think Ben has done an absolutely outstanding job of turning fungible assets into quality players at positions of need for the team. Kudos. Tomorrow is valentines day here in Brazil, my girlfriend has work to do and won't likely be with me. Any good milf movies? - DonCaballero 11/6/11
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BorisMan		#80	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 879 12/29/11 6:53 AM Veteran Member	DonCaballero wrote: Really? I have to be the first one? The downside of this deal is, clearly, that we won't be getting Head any time soon. That's right. Ben gave Head to Beane, along with Raul and Reddick. I too am worried about the elbow of Bailey. That is why we got him for what we got him for. If he had no medical issues then the cost would have been higher. Knowing the sox medical staff he'll get diagnosed with nothing until something happens...twice.
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