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11/25/11 2:43 PM
beasleyrockah wrote:OCD SS wrote: ... and to clarify (since at the very least the thread placement makes it looks like you're responding to me) my comment regarding Middlebrooks/ Boegarts and Raunado applied to the description of a "top young SP." In addition to Don's point that you can't plan your off-season around getting another team to make a horrible trade and being fleeced by the Red Sox, a point of contention (and the slippery slope of the discussion) should be noted that you've changed the argument from a "slightly above average SP" to "an acceptable #4." Those are probably different enough to account for differences in proposed acquisition cost.Good point, some people feel like this team NEEDS a Gio Gonzalez type, but I'd just like to see another dependable arm, just near league average and eat his share of innings. John Danks is more than that, but he's the ideal guy for me depending on cost. He projected before as a fringe Type A, so he'll probably be a Type B under the new CBA after 2012. There is a big difference in the trade value of a Gio Gonzalez/Matt Garza and a Joe Saunders, and I'd agree the Red Sox spare parts aren't landing an impact starter. My point is the Red Sox could absolutely fill their rotation need in the form of a trade and it shouldn't be written off, as there are few exciting options on the FA market. I'm certainly not advocating planning your offseason around pulling off a lopsided trade..I just don't think you should dismiss the possibility of pulling off a trade for a capable #4 for a package involving non elite prospects. Maybe Kenny Williams really dreams on Kalish and can flip Quentin for a nice return as well, there are just too many possibilites.
OCD SS wrote: ... and to clarify (since at the very least the thread placement makes it looks like you're responding to me) my comment regarding Middlebrooks/ Boegarts and Raunado applied to the description of a "top young SP." In addition to Don's point that you can't plan your off-season around getting another team to make a horrible trade and being fleeced by the Red Sox, a point of contention (and the slippery slope of the discussion) should be noted that you've changed the argument from a "slightly above average SP" to "an acceptable #4." Those are probably different enough to account for differences in proposed acquisition cost.
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11/25/11 7:45 PM
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pedroiayouk1520 wrote: I think Danks is the best we could realistically get for a few "spare parts." If we could get someone of Danks' quality, I would prefer that the Sox move Aceves into the #5 spot (like Ogando) and try to sign a couple relievers to replace Aceves/Papelbon. If Danks costs too much, I'd rather the Sox just make two minor moves for guys like McCarthy and Saunders, then sign someone like Frank Francisco and call it a day.
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11/25/11 9:43 PM
OCD SS wrote: Here's a Fangraphs comparison of Danks to Edwin Jackson. I just don't see Danks being available for "spare parts," and if it's going to be a real investment, I'd rather it be for $ then talent.
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11/26/11 2:07 PM
OCD SS wrote:and if it's going to be a real investment, I'd rather it be for $ then talent.
and if it's going to be a real investment, I'd rather it be for $ then talent.
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11/26/11 4:03 PM
rodstero4 wrote:That's nice and all, but the thing that got this entire discussion going was the luxury tax and the sox "budget." While you've done a nice job going through and shooting down all the points pedroiayouk1520 made, you haven't addressed the fact that the red sox are probably going to be $15 million or so below the luxury tax line before a single signing gets made. And if Ortiz doesn't accept arbitration then he's a fool, or the GM paying him is a fool. So yeah, it's not your money (or mine) so I'd love to just sign everyone on the market and be the yankees, but that doesn't seem likely. The man makes a good point that I hadn't seen before on this board, so those of us advocating Carlos Beltran (this guy) are dreaming. The chances we sign a top pitcher on the market is also low. He's just saying that the Red Sox brass knows where the weaknesses of the team are, and they have to address them in some other way, ie. trade, aceves/bard converting to starter.
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buffs44444 wrote:Ownership recognized the need for changes already, time for them to literally put their money where their mouth is.
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11/27/11 3:24 PM
TokenWilliams wrote:buffs44444 wrote:Ownership recognized the need for changes already, time for them to literally put their money where their mouth is.Quoted for truth.A couple things I feel everyone should keep in mind while "arguing" about the direction of the Red Sox this offseason.1. The luxury tax line is not a prohibitive barrier that they Red Sox cannot spend beyond. 2. They have gone over it before.3. The changes in the CBA may affect their past practices so pointing to these practices as indisputable evidence that they won't go into luxury tax territory holds very little water.4. Even if teams have made bad trades before, "spare parts" should not be seriously discussed as a realistic trade option. Like someone mentioned before, it doesn't make it a good strategy.
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11/27/11 3:33 PM
left coast bosox fan wrote:Of interest, Willy Mo just signed a two year deal to play in Japan. One of the all time great AAAA players, he should tear them up over there.
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Guidas wrote:Some scouts project Ranaudo to be better than what Kelly was supposed to be.
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