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left coast bosox fan wrote:This is from Abraham's piece on Valentine today. This part blows my mind: The 2011 Red Sox were a thimble of controversy compared with the raging waters that were the 2002 Mets. A photo of pitcher Grant Roberts smoking marijuana from a water pipe was plastered across the New York tabloids. One report suggested as many as seven Mets were regular drug users. The team was replete with underachieving free agents, clubhouse chemistry issues, and sloppy play on the field. Veteran players were accused of betraying Valentine by telling owner Fred Wilpon that he should be fired. The Mets, expected to make the playoffs, finished in last place. Valentine has not managed in the majors since. “That was 10 years ago,’’ Duquette said. “He knows how to handle a big market and superstar players. If he’s going to come back, Boston makes a lot of sense.’’ How Duquette started like he did then given the info came to that conclusion is mind boggling to me. Good luck Baltimore. http://www.boston.com/spo...the_red_sox_need/?page=2
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beasleyrockah wrote:Dumb question, but is there testing for marijuana? I'm sure there is, I was just curious. If there wasn't, and the players just smoked in Boston, it would be all good with me. It would probably help clubhouse morale.
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beasleyrockah wrote:Dumb question, but is there testing for marijuana?
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DonCaballero wrote:beasleyrockah wrote:Dumb question, but is there testing for marijuana?My girlfriend recently broke up with me. There's been some great testing around here these days.
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mloyko wrote:JeffPassan Jeff Passan Source: Bobby Valentine expects to meet with Red Sox GM Ben Cherington on Monday. Could emerge as favorite for manager if meeting goes well. 12 minutes ago Favorite Undo Retweet Reply I have a feeling things could move pretty quick with this thing
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Pete MorrisonWiki EditorSoxProspects.com
Matthew Cerrone: What do you make of the state of statistical analysis in baseball, and sabermetrics, and, as they say, ‘The search for objective knowledge about baseball.’Bobby Valentine: I was weaned on sabermetrics as a manager, when I was 35 years old and with the Rangers. Our GM, Tom Grieve, who gets no credit or mention for it at all, hired a sabermetrician to work full time for the team, Craig Wright, who wrote The Diamond Appraised, and is in the same stratosphere among guys who crunch numbers like Bill James. So, I think they’re part and parcel to evaluation and managing and I understand they are part of the baseball culture. But, it’s only a part of the culture.
Matthew Cerrone: What do you make of the state of statistical analysis in baseball, and sabermetrics, and, as they say, ‘The search for objective knowledge about baseball.’
Bobby Valentine: I was weaned on sabermetrics as a manager, when I was 35 years old and with the Rangers. Our GM, Tom Grieve, who gets no credit or mention for it at all, hired a sabermetrician to work full time for the team, Craig Wright, who wrote The Diamond Appraised, and is in the same stratosphere among guys who crunch numbers like Bill James. So, I think they’re part and parcel to evaluation and managing and I understand they are part of the baseball culture. But, it’s only a part of the culture.
Matthew Cerrone: That has to be a big difference in the game, I would think, compared to when you last managed in America. In fact, what kind of changes have you noticed in the game since you left?Bobby Valentine: Well, there are a lot of new players… There’s been such a turn over, it’s unbelievable. Basically, I left in the height of the Steroid Era, and at that time, in 2004, there was very little mention about the team concepts. Everything was about the guy who could throw 100 mph and hit it 500 feet. That’s all people cared about. That and On Base Percentage, which, of course, at that time was being discussed as if it was a new concept, and most people knew it was anything but new. Now I’m back, and I see people are actually caring about how the game of baseball is played. They care about the composition of how a team is comprised. They have a better understanding of the value of a bullpen, in addition to the closer. So, I think baseball is, as we speak, it’s being re-born again and going back to the future and I kind of like that.
Matthew Cerrone: That has to be a big difference in the game, I would think, compared to when you last managed in America. In fact, what kind of changes have you noticed in the game since you left?
Bobby Valentine: Well, there are a lot of new players… There’s been such a turn over, it’s unbelievable. Basically, I left in the height of the Steroid Era, and at that time, in 2004, there was very little mention about the team concepts. Everything was about the guy who could throw 100 mph and hit it 500 feet. That’s all people cared about. That and On Base Percentage, which, of course, at that time was being discussed as if it was a new concept, and most people knew it was anything but new. Now I’m back, and I see people are actually caring about how the game of baseball is played. They care about the composition of how a team is comprised. They have a better understanding of the value of a bullpen, in addition to the closer. So, I think baseball is, as we speak, it’s being re-born again and going back to the future and I kind of like that.
"He's A-plus as far as being a manager, knowing the game, and handling people," said former Marlins pitching coach Rich Donnelly, who served in the same role when Valentine arrived in Texas in 1985. "I don't know his IQ, but it's probably pretty high. He sees things clearer than a lot of people.""I compare him a lot to Bill Parcells that way," said (Mitch) Williams, who was a rookie on Valentine's Rangers club in 1986. "They're going to do things their way. If ownership wants a guy they can put their thumb on and control what they do, Bobby's not one of those guys."He thinks he knows more than anybody, and rightfully so. But he has to understand that somebody else owns the club. If he rubs his owner the wrong way- well, that's the guy who's going to decide his employment status."
"He's A-plus as far as being a manager, knowing the game, and handling people," said former Marlins pitching coach Rich Donnelly, who served in the same role when Valentine arrived in Texas in 1985. "I don't know his IQ, but it's probably pretty high. He sees things clearer than a lot of people."
"I compare him a lot to Bill Parcells that way," said (Mitch) Williams, who was a rookie on Valentine's Rangers club in 1986. "They're going to do things their way. If ownership wants a guy they can put their thumb on and control what they do, Bobby's not one of those guys.
"He thinks he knows more than anybody, and rightfully so. But he has to understand that somebody else owns the club. If he rubs his owner the wrong way- well, that's the guy who's going to decide his employment status."
SOURCE: Palm Beach Post
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For weeks, Cherington headed up the Red Sox’ managerial search, interviewing five candidates — Pete Mackanin, Dale Sveum, Sandy Alomar Jr., Torey Lovullo, Gene Lamont — and presenting his findings to ownership. Cherington invited Sveum to a lunch meeting with ownership last Wednesday in Milwaukee, leading to the presumption that the Brewers’ hitting coach was his preferred candidate. But they never offered the job to Sveum, who instead was hired by Theo Epstein’s Cubs, and the Red Sox decided to broaden their search and seek more experienced candidates, with Bobby Valentine emerging as a possibility.
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