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JT44		#61	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 908 07/06/11 11:32 PM	Jim Callis Chat `Nick (Mass): Xander Bogaerts is getting a ton of hype lately. Are you buying into it and is he a SS longterm?` Jim Callis: Yes. Ran him up my Red Sox Top 30 in the offseason and he's doing a nice job for an 18-year-old in low Class A. He has one of the best bats in the Boston system. He will outgrow shortstop, however, and probably wind up at third base.
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JT44		#62	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 916 07/10/11 5:57 PM	Scouting The Sally vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktWkkqTDPc4&feature=player_embedded
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ClayB11		#63	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 34 08/06/11 6:17 PM	It seems like there are a lot of evaluators saying that XB will outgrow SS because he is 6'3" 175 at 18yo. Hanley is 6'3" 225 is has stuck at short for more than 5 years. (Even if he is is a bad defender) Does this kids glove have enough potential to stick there if he doesn't "outgrow" the position. Last Edited By: ClayB11 08/06/11 6:20 PM. Edited 1 time.
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IKONOS		#64	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 153 08/07/11 8:00 PM	JT44 wrote: Jim Callis Chat `Nick (Mass): Xander Bogaerts is getting a ton of hype lately. Are you buying into it and is he a SS longterm?` Jim Callis: Yes. Ran him up my Red Sox Top 30 in the offseason and he's doing a nice job for an 18-year-old in low Class A. He has one of the best bats in the Boston system. He will outgrow shortstop, however, and probably wind up at third base. Beyond the age and the age advanced league he is playing in, can some one with scouting knowledge expand on what makes him one of the best bat in the system?
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jmei		#65	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1033 08/07/11 9:15 PM Forum Moderator	Quoted from Chris Mellen's The Ladder: 7/27/11: Expect his production to fluctuate and for there to be bouts of inconsistency the rest of the season, but his ceiling is amongst the highest of any prospect within the Red Sox system. Bogaerts’ raw tools jump out when seeing him. Bringing the head of the bat quickly through the hitting zone via strong wrists, he produces excellent backspin when he squares balls up and is capable of driving the ball to all fields at an early age. His ability to keep his hands back before attacking the ball has impressed thus far during his time in Greenville. A lean body type, Bogaerts has a lot of room on his frame to fill out as he matures into his 20s and projects to have plus power as he continues to learn to tap into his natural strength. He also has an ISO of .253 as an 18-year-old in low-A Greenville, which is incredibly impressive for guy with significant projection left in terms of filling out his body and his strength.
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ji oh		#66	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 41 08/07/11 9:26 PM	ClayB11 wrote: It seems like there are a lot of evaluators saying that XB will outgrow SS because he is 6'3" 175 at 18yo. Hanley is 6'3" 225 is has stuck at short for more than 5 years. (Even if he is is a bad defender) Does this kids glove have enough potential to stick there if he doesn't "outgrow" the position. Soxprospects still lists Hanley as 6'1", 175 which must have been what he was either when signed or when traded. If Xavier is 6'3" at 18 he could wind up 6'3" or 6'5"; even at 6'3" it's very hard to play SS. A-Rod is listed as 6'3" 225 now, and should have stayed at SS when he signed with NY.
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Sibby Sisti		#67	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 591 08/09/11 10:05 AM	ji oh wrote: ClayB11 wrote: It seems like there are a lot of evaluators saying that XB will outgrow SS because he is 6'3" 175 at 18yo. Hanley is 6'3" 225 is has stuck at short for more than 5 years. (Even if he is is a bad defender) Does this kids glove have enough potential to stick there if he doesn't "outgrow" the position. Soxprospects still lists Hanley as 6'1", 175 which must have been what he was either when signed or when traded. If Xavier is 6'3" at 18 he could wind up 6'3" or 6'5"; even at 6'3" it's very hard to play SS. A-Rod is listed as 6'3" 225 now, and should have stayed at SS when he signed with NY. Yea. Yankees really sucked with Jeter at SS and A-Rod on 3rd.
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MaleNurse2010		#68	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 827 08/09/11 12:10 PM	Sibby Sisti wrote: ji oh wrote: ClayB11 wrote: It seems like there are a lot of evaluators saying that XB will outgrow SS because he is 6'3" 175 at 18yo. Hanley is 6'3" 225 is has stuck at short for more than 5 years. (Even if he is is a bad defender) Does this kids glove have enough potential to stick there if he doesn't "outgrow" the position. Soxprospects still lists Hanley as 6'1", 175 which must have been what he was either when signed or when traded. If Xavier is 6'3" at 18 he could wind up 6'3" or 6'5"; even at 6'3" it's very hard to play SS. A-Rod is listed as 6'3" 225 now, and should have stayed at SS when he signed with NY. Yea. Yankees really sucked with Jeter at SS and A-Rod on 3rd. Yea they kind did having some of the worst defenses in history of baseball with that alignment along with Siriano and Giambino in the infield.
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DonCaballero		#69	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1212 08/09/11 12:16 PM	MaleNurse2010 wrote: Sibby Sisti wrote: ji oh wrote: ClayB11 wrote: It seems like there are a lot of evaluators saying that XB will outgrow SS because he is 6'3" 175 at 18yo. Hanley is 6'3" 225 is has stuck at short for more than 5 years. (Even if he is is a bad defender) Does this kids glove have enough potential to stick there if he doesn't "outgrow" the position. Soxprospects still lists Hanley as 6'1", 175 which must have been what he was either when signed or when traded. If Xavier is 6'3" at 18 he could wind up 6'3" or 6'5"; even at 6'3" it's very hard to play SS. A-Rod is listed as 6'3" 225 now, and should have stayed at SS when he signed with NY. Yea. Yankees really sucked with Jeter at SS and A-Rod on 3rd. Yea they kind did having some of the worst defenses in history of baseball with that alignment along with Siriano and Giambino in the infield. And yet they won more games than any team with a good defense.
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ji oh		#70	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 42 08/09/11 1:11 PM	DonCaballero wrote: And yet they won more games than any team with a good defense. And Tommy Aaron still is (I think) co-holder of the record for most major-league HRs by brothers. If the Yankees had kept ARod at SS, moved Jeter to CF and gotten an average 3b, they would have been better than they were in his first few years there, when they won zero championships. We are so fortunate to have Jeter locked in at SS this year and being paid big money for a few more years.
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BillyBarou		#71	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 1 08/09/11 1:14 PM	templeUsox wrote: After 200 AB's in low-A, his OPS is going to be ~.620. At least you were close.
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DonCaballero		#72	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1213 08/09/11 1:16 PM	ji oh wrote: If the Yankees had kept ARod at SS, moved Jeter to CF and gotten an average 3b, they would have been better than they were in his first few years there, when they won zero championships. I don't get this reasoning. If they had several clones of ARod manning all positions during that stretch they would have been the best team ever. The fact is that they had the team they had, and even with the worst defense ever they won more games than anyone. Defense is just flat out overrated.
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left coast bosox fan		#73	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 6341 08/09/11 1:52 PM Veteran Member	Xander Bogaerts ISO after 171 ABs is .263. Bryce Harper is 15 days younger, had a .236 ISO in 258 ABs in low A this year. Just sayin'... ADD: RotoWorld feature by Mike Neuman on Xander. http://www.rotohardball.c...d-Sox-Shortstop-Prospect Note: Here's a tweet from Chris Mellen after the article: ChrisMellen Chris Mellen @ @ScoutingtheSAL Like the sleeper comment in your piece! I didn't want to sway your opinion on him in either direction. "Watching Jose Iglesias take infield practice is like baseball porn" ,"Best defensive shortstop prospect I've ever seen." Keith Law Last Edited By: left coast bosox fan 08/09/11 3:10 PM. Edited 1 time.
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Bury the Hammer		#74	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1368 08/09/11 3:21 PM Veteran Member	I guess I'll post this now, since it's fairly safe to assume his ISO won't fall below .200 this year: Anyway, here is this the list of 18 year olds to put up a .200+ ISO in the Sally League since 1995 (min 137 ABs): Mike Stanton, .318, 2008 Adrian Beltre, .279, 1996 Xander Bogaerts, .263, 2011 Chad Hermansen (lol), .262, 1996 Chris Marrero, .252, 2007 Bryce Harper, .236, 2011 Andruw Jones, .235, 1995 Delmon Young, .216, 2004 Andy Marte, .211, 2002 Manny Machado, .211, 2011 Jurickson Profar, .209, 2011 Freddie Freeman, .205, 2008 Matt Dominguez, .203, 2008 Kind of a mixed bag, although just about all the names here are/were/will be big leaguers. Not sure it really tells us much else, other than that Bogaerts has a good chance of becoming a top prospect. Some interesting names who didn't qualify: Heyward (165), Montero (160), BJ Upton (143) Jose Reyes (165) Side note: Both Angel Villalona and Fernando Martinez put up a .172 ISO as 17 year olds. Last Edited By: Bury the Hammer 08/09/11 3:34 PM. Edited 1 time.
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templeUsox		#75	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16718 08/09/11 3:30 PM Veteran Member Podcast Panelist	That's not really a mixed bag. Try finding some other ways to flesh out a list of major league players from Low-A data using any criteria you want. It's a near impossible task. The only people on that list who haven't made the majors are the current top prospects in baseball.
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Bury the Hammer		#76	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1369 08/09/11 3:35 PM Veteran Member	Yeah that just hit me and I edited my post as you were making yours. edit: I also did this for the Midwest League but I really didn't find anyone, which is kind of amazing. Last Edited By: Bury the Hammer 08/09/11 3:39 PM. Edited 1 time.
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charliezink16		#77	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 880 08/09/11 3:54 PM	It seems that Cooper and Callis only talk about Bogaerts in terms of Red Sox prospects: Sean (MA): I love when you guys talk up Boston prospects but what makes Bogaerts such a "great sign" by Boston? Is it the power? Will he hit enough to use it? Thanks for all the hard work. J.J. Cooper: Don't get too worried about Bogaerts' low average, he's very young for the league. You've got to remember that a guy isn't a fully formed big leaguer at 18. In Bogaert's case, he's already showing in-game power as an 18-year-old. For a guy who could have quite easily been ticketed to play in the GCL, holding your own in the South Atlantic League is a sign of a premium prospect. http://www.baseballameric...-sheet/2011/2612198.html Twitter (Tweet about Sox alot) YouTube Account
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BriantheTaoist		#78	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2486 08/09/11 3:58 PM	Thing that jumps out at me is that in 16 years, it only happened 13 times ... but FOUR of them are this year. Just a freakish collection of young slugging hitters at the same time, or some other factor in play? adding: just watched the video in the link LCBF posted above ... X does something I can't remember seeing before in his swing: his front foot actually goes backwards a few inches in his stride. He starts really spread out, and then pulls his front foot back a few inches into hitting position. It's an interesting approach, seems like it'd help him stay balanced and on the ball longer. Is this more common than I know, and I just haven't noticed it before? Last Edited By: BriantheTaoist 08/09/11 4:26 PM. Edited 1 time.
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Bury the Hammer		#79	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1370 08/09/11 4:10 PM Veteran Member	Well, I found 44 players total over that time period who qualified age-wise, 19 were from 1995-2002, 25 were from 2003-now. Not really significant enough to say that teams in general are more willing to challenge young players. Has the Sally become more of a hitters league in general? Last Edited By: Bury the Hammer 08/09/11 4:13 PM. Edited 1 time.
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left coast bosox fan		#80	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 6342 08/09/11 4:29 PM Veteran Member	BriantheTaoist wrote: Thing that jumps out at me is that in 16 years, it only happened 13 times ... but FOUR of them are this year. Just a freakish collection of young slugging hitters at the same time, or some other factor in play? adding: just watched the video in the link LCBF posted above ... X does something I can't remember seeing before in his swing: his front foot actually goes backwards a few inches in his stride. He starts really spread out, and then pulls his front foot back a few inches into hitting position. It's an interesting approach, seems like it'd help him stay balanced and on the ball longer. Is this more common than I know, and I just haven't noticed it before? Even more freakish, 3 of those 4 are the only 3 shortstops. "Watching Jose Iglesias take infield practice is like baseball porn" ,"Best defensive shortstop prospect I've ever seen." Keith Law
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