basestealer21 wrote:Agreed. Sorry for the confusion. I meant, I expected a 1-year deal for $7-$8.
$7.75 million a year sounds pretty reasonable...
ADD: Probably makes no difference at all, but still hoping the 2nd year is some kind of option.
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Red Sox Reach Tentative Agreement with Mike Cameron
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Wouldn't this deal also make the Mets the frontrunners for Holliday?
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The move makes sense.
I was never for re-signing Bay. I thought the resources could be allocated to much better players (see: Lackey). That being said, the lack of a pure power bat in the lineup is going to be very noticeable if a significant offensive acquisition is not made.... |
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templeUsox wrote: Man... I suppose the Mets could be stupider, but it'd be hard.
"Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the
cheese."- Buck Martinez
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Yirmiyahu wrote: Fair and I agree for hoping there's an option. The only reason I like the second year is as a backup who can field every position and still run a bit. Maybe we land a bigger bat in next years free agency while Reddick or Kalish gets groomed to be our 3 position backup. |
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Obviously 1 year deal would be preferable, but Cameron could be seen as a bridge to the Kalish/Lin/Reddick types in the system, hoping Hermida can turn into a
legit LF option and 2 of those guys can step in when Drew and Cameron move on.
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FenwayTheHardWay wrote:Jason Bay will .257 14 hr and 71 rbi's next year in that stadium. He'll be a liability in LF. And, will be getting booed unmercifully as the Mets stumble to a 4th place finish. |
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Whoa, sweet. For some reason I thought Cameron had signed somewhere else already. Best signing of the off-season. So many ways the OF could be aligned. I
wonder if Drew could be moved to LF; it would probably keep him fresher and would allow Ellsbury and Cameron to cover the largest parts of the OF.
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klostrophobic wrote:I'm embarrassed I hadn't thought of this. How's Cameron's arm? I might like this idea...
aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he
can golden glove field in his sleep.
tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong. |
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Cameron's got the arm even for Fenway's RF and he has some experience there playing alongside Beltran in NY. However, it just seems like a waste of
Drew and him (Drew has only 182 innings of experience in LF and Cameron has only marginal experience in RF). His UZR in RF was nothing special in a small
sample 1.9 (800 innings) so i don't really see the benefit there.
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AMarshal2 wrote: 4 runs below average according to fangraphs. Can't say as I really believe it though; arm strength is too dependent on the batting situation for my taste.
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There was a pretty good article on Fangraphs at the beginning of the offseason trumpeting Mike Cameron as a logical alternative to Bay. It looks very prescient
now...
I'm a little concerned as if the Sox are keeping Jacoby I would like to see him continue to develop as a CFer (for the reasons Temple already brought up). I expect he'll get some play there when Cameron has a day off, but overall I'm not as interested in him as Carl Crawford V2.0 (of course OTOH I never expected the Sox to keep him around past his arb years). At the end of the day though, this makes the Sox a tough defensive team, and I don't think they can sign Cameron to play anything but CF (the tension between him and Beltran was palpable). I'd like to see a major move at 1B, and now the roster is flexible enough to support it. Edit: although now that I've scanned more articles, it appears that Cameron may have agreed to play LF. That works pretty well for me.
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he has logged significantly more playing time in right field han left field
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jspearlj1 wrote:Just throwing this out there. Maybe it gives a little bit of idea of each outfielder's relative strengths. Here's each player's career [actually, post-2002, because that's what's available on fangraphs] outfield numbers:
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Cameron can be the starting LF and the backup CF/RF. Hermida really shouldn't play anywhere but LF with those other 3 guys in the mix. As big of a deleted
as Drew is he's been a very solid RF in his time with the Sox. I love Jacoby going back on the ball in CF, and I don't think Cameron is a waste in
Fenway, he can play closer to CF and Ellsbury can play closer to RF so less flyballs should hit the ground. As I mentioned before, there are also 81 games
during the year not played at Fenway. Plus he's going to hit 7th (if Kotchman is at 1B, or 8th if the bring in a bigger bat at 1B/3B).
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I am not excited by this deal. Cameron is 37 and is not the player he once was. He still is a fairly good defender, but he is in decline. He makes a lot of
outs at the plate. His OBP is not that great. I would like him a lot as a 4h OF, but not as a regular. He will improve the defense significantly if playing LF,
but he will not have the bat that is needed there.
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Yirmiyahu wrote: Can someone explain "Arm" and how the score works, cause it looks like the graph says Ellsbury has a better/more accurate arm than Drew and Cameron, that cant be the case right? "I will repeat as Rookie of the Year". - Dustin Pedroia |
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Adios, Mr. Bay. Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya...
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