Halladay is a Philly
I'm tired of reading "now they'll trade Buchholz for Gonzalez!!!" in every thread. So discuss the next big move here.
Note: As always, this is not a thread to make elaborate or outlandish trade proposals.
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AMarshal2 |
What Should The Sox Do Next? |
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Lackey is a Red Sox (pending physical)
Halladay is a Philly I'm tired of reading "now they'll trade Buchholz for Gonzalez!!!" in every thread. So discuss the next big move here. Note: As always, this is not a thread to make elaborate or outlandish trade proposals.
aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he
can golden glove field in his sleep.
tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong.
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Nolson20 |
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I am not sure what Mike meant by his post, but it seems like the next big move is contingent on Lowell's thumb passing inspection which is not looking
good.
If it is true that Lowell's thumb is "Royally effing up this offseason". |
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templeUsox |
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Is your last line sarcastic? How can we tell you what they will do next if we can't make predictions? Serious question.
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jsinger121 |
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A big bat is necessary now. I think we can all say that signing Lackey that 2010 is likely no longer a bridge year. I'd love Cabrera on this team as he is
the right handed power that this team desperately needs.
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norbit14 |
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I think the next "Big Move" will be Chapman's representatives making a decision. According to many reports the Sox offered 15.5 Million and no
other team has been reported to have come close to that amount. I could see a resolution one way or the other soon.
Am Dominican and you?? |
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FenwayTheHardWay |
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jsinger121 wrote: Good, because that was always a ludicrous notion IMHO. What's next? Ask me again when we know what's going on with the Lowell trade.
"Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the
cheese."- Buck Martinez
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jcn92 |
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I could see us bringing in Aroldis, and then signing either Matt Holliday or trading for Fielder, Cabrera, or Gonzalez, with the deal being centered around
Clay and Bowden. I would be happy with either route. Also I still think we need a reliever and to shore up the bullpen
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JimRiceRocks |
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jsinger121 wrote:While I don't disagree that we need some RH pop, I think I'd still prefer A Gonzalez. He's a good defensive 1B and moving Youk to third won't be as bad defensively as acquiring a subpar defensive 1B. Plus, he'll rake at Fenway and has no known off-field issues. I guess it would depend on the relative costs, however. If Miggy is significantly cheaper to acquire in terms of talent, maybe he's the better move, although you immediately have to start paying his high salary. I'm not sure what it would take to sign Adrian long term. He has said his preferred destination is Boston, so maybe we'd get a small discount for extending him.
"You can never have too much bitching" - left coast bosox fan
"No wonder a lot of opponent's announcers have bullpenis envy - left coast bosox fan |
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AMarshal2 |
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I don't think the Lackey signing means a Buchholz trade is imminent. It would not surprise me, but I am unsure if the moves are related or not. Beckett is
only signed (currently) for one more year, so there's plenty of reason to keep Buchholz around for 2011. The Sox clearly value run prevention and cheap
starters like Clay very highly. I think they would be happy to keep him. Of course, they'll also move him if it makes the team better. I'm not sure
Adrian Gonzalez is that guy though. Straight-up, Buchholz is probably the more valuable trade commodity in my humble opinion. Gonzalez is only signed for 2
years (to Clay's 5) and his vs. lefty splits are not good. I much prefer the best hitters in the line-up to be well-rounded. You don't want to lose in
the high leverage innings because other teams can pitch to your best player.
The Red Sox have done a great job improving their run prevention so far. If they sign a Matt Holliday, I think they can safely start Casey Kotchman and be an improved team over last year with Lackey, Holliday, and Scutaro. If they don't sign Holliday/Bay and are forced to start Hermida, then I think they need to make a move at 1B/3B. Signing Beltre is an option here if they can get him for 2 years. Otherwise, they need to get creative on the trade market.
aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he
can golden glove field in his sleep.
tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong.
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AMarshal2 |
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templeUsox wrote: Serious answer: It was a type that I fixed as soon as I saw it. I meant trade proposals.
aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he
can golden glove field in his sleep.
tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong. |
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klostrophobic |
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Sign someone to platoon with Hermida in left. Nady, Sheffield, Gomes?
Postponed: Wind
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GuapoGuapo |
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klostrophobic wrote:Mike Cameron?
"I just really enjoy reading, man. It's totally a good way to stay centered." - Lars
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rangoon82 |
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klostrophobic wrote:::Shudder:: But seriously I think it would be a different, refreshing brand of baseball to watch if the Sox could somehow keep Buchholz in the 5th spot. If he takes the leap this year you could be talking about 5 aces. |
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SoxFanPJ |
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Ideally I would say sign Holliday, but I am not sure the Sox would be willing wo wait as long as it will take to get his price to come down. Mike Cameron even
with age related decline seems like an ideal fit on a one year deal. You can have him start the majority of games in LF and spell Ellsbury in CF, Hermida
becomes the 4th OF and gets starts vs. some RHP. Take a week or two to scour the 1B/3B trade market before moving on Beltre, Johnson, DeRosa.. etc.
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804Sox |
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I think the Sox sign Holliday, Chapman, and DeRosa or Nick Johnson (shifting Youkilis to 3B) for 3B (assuming the Lowell trade goes through)
I could see DeRosa going to the Sox because he hasn't been connected to them much yet, most of the other 3B holes have filled up (not much market for him, it seems), Beltre's price tag (and the many rumors connecting him to the Sox), and his abilities as a utility player give the Sox the flexibility to move him around if Lowrie comes back healthy, V-Mart is playing 1B with Youkilis at 3B, Pedroia gets hurt, etc. Unfortunately, not a great defender. No real leads on this front, just a hunch. I don't see an imminent trade of Buchholz - keeping him would give the Sox 5 starters who would ordinarily be #3 starters or better. This kind of rotation depth would be invaluable. Personally, i would be much more willing to trade Kelly, but a Holliday signing would make this unnecessary too. |
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Cem21 |
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While this will create a frenzy that Buchholz is on his way out of town, I don't see the Sox trading him off unless it is an absolute "must have"
at a premium position for the team. Adrian Gonzalez is a good player, but it is tough to see them trading off a major league player and prospects that they
internally project to contribute at multiple positions on the roster in the near future (2-3 years) for a non-premium position like 1B. That line of thinking
doesn't match up with the "5 year plan" talk that Theo has preached since being here. Moreover, they are still short on starting pitching even
with signing Lackey and there isn't much behind Buchholz right now in terms of being major league ready that would be able to contribute outside of an
emergency start. If they were deeper with high minors mid-front line pitching talent, it would be much easier to see them trading a Buchholz type. Despite
all of the depth at the beginning of last season for the Sox, it evaporated pretty quickly and by the end of the season the starting pitching was pretty thin
due to poor performance/health.
Outside of the Lowell deal, I think they'll: 1. Take care of LF 2. Sign Chapman 3. Continue to canvass 3B and bring in another SP for depth
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amfox1 |
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1. Trade Lowell or get him surgery.
2. Look for a 1B/3B (Nick Johnson, Beltre, DeRosa, other) 3. Look for a LF/CF (Cameron, Reed Johnson, other) 4. Assess Chapman. If signed, assign him to AA with Iglesias with the goal of promoting both to AAA at the trade deadline and letting them have a cup of coffee with the big club in Sept. 5. Find a AAA 3B. Please. |
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nolongerseen |
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The Adrian Gonzalez deal does not look likely simply because Jed wants Kelly or Westmoreland and seeing as Theo has stayed true to his word that those two are
untouchable, I highly doubt it happens. Realistically, if we really are done with Bay and Holliday, looks like Mike Cameron is the direction the club is
headed. If that's the case we need to move Jacoby to LF. Cameron hasn't played more than a few games in left in his career and has been an exceptional
CF the past two seasons.
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jcn92 |
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804Sox wrote: This is my ideal situation |
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ArodSucksAtLife |
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Matt Holliday
Nick Johnson Keep poking around for a blockbuster but nothing needs to get done after those first two. I am in love with Clayton Kershaw. I want him in me. - Curll84 |
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FenwayTheHardWay |
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I'd agree that the Lackey signing in no way forces a Buchholz trade. It probably makes him available in the right deal, but that's all.
My dream scenario is for the Red Sox to start the season with Lester/Beckett/Lackey/Matsuzaka/Buchholz, with Wakefield (and this is where the dream part comes in) piggybacking Matsuzaka. Positionally, I really don't know. There's so many options that would be acceptable to me, and again a lot depends on the Lowell trade.
"Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the
cheese."- Buck Martinez
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