Update: Roy Halladay to Philly

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AMarshal2		#201	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9058 12/10/09 12:06 AM Aaron Senior Moderator SoxProspects Forum	If Erik Aybar was in the draft tomorrow, he'd certainly go in the first 10 picks. He's definitely worth more than Type A compensation, the Red Sox would love to have had a solution like him the last 5 years. You're right that Halladay wouldn't get to choose between offers. aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he can golden glove field in his sleep. tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong.
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buffs44444		#202	[url]	[-]
Moderator Veteran Member Posts: 1510 12/10/09 9:36 AM	The Roy Halladay sweepstakes are back to where they were last July. The Phillies and Angels again have emerged as the front-runners in trade discussions for the Blue Jays' ace right-hander, according to major-league sources. The Phillies, one source said, are offering a package of young players, likely including left-hander J.A. Happ and one of two outfielders, Domonic Brown or Michael Taylor. The Angels, as first reported by the Toronto Sun, are offering left-hander Joe Saunders, shortstop Erick Aybar and minor-league center fielder Peter Bourjos. The Jays, weighing three- and four-team scenarios in an attempt to maximize their assets, likely would spin Saunders to another club for additional parts. Rosenthal Seems like the Philly package would be Taylor and not Brown. If Brown, this might be close to conclusion. Of course, this would probably help finalize it altogether: In addition, they have lefty J.A. Happ, who is coming off a standout rookie season, but according to one source: "Don't rule out them including Cole Hamels" in a potential deal. I'd take Hamels off of Toronto's hands in a heartbeat as part of a secondary trade. Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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Guidas		#203	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 109 12/10/09 9:45 AM	Anyone think the proposed acquisition of Max Ramirez in the Lowell deal is to spin Ramirez in a larger package to Toronto or FL for Halladay or Johnson?
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AMarshal2		#204	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9063 12/10/09 10:13 AM Aaron Senior Moderator SoxProspects Forum	Guidas wrote: Anyone think the proposed acquisition of Max Ramirez in the Lowell deal is to spin Ramirez in a larger package to Toronto or FL for Halladay or Johnson? Perhaps, but it's not like the Red Sox have a long-term answer at C, either. Max probably isn't the answer, but he's worth the risk. I think they're acquiring him on the chance that he provides value at C. aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he can golden glove field in his sleep. tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong.
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Nexus		#205	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 377 12/10/09 10:18 AM	AMarshal2 wrote: Perhaps, but it's not like the Red Sox have a long-term answer at C, either. Max probably isn't the answer, but he's worth the risk. I think they're acquiring him on the chance that he provides value at C. Or the Sox are just hellbent on acquiring as many Venezuelan's as possible to make Miggy feel at home next season. That's now 4 in 5 months... and 3 in 5 days. I also noticed Max' middle name starts with an R.... can anyone confirm the rest?
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dominican soxfan		#206	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 266 12/10/09 10:27 AM	Would a proposal of Bowden, Lowrie, Reddick, and Max Ramirez be too much to give up for the right to negotiate with Halladay?
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Mhueg		#207	[url]	[-]
Posts: 195 12/10/09 10:44 AM Matt Staff Writer SoxProspects.com	Amaro on possibility of #Phillies trading for Roy Halladay: "I don't think there's any likeliness. None." Scott Lauber Twitter
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ancientsoxfogey		#208	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 4407 12/10/09 10:45 AM Veteran Member	No, dominican, but I don't think it's in the ballpark of what other teams are [reported to be] offering at this point, so it won't get Halladay.
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buffs44444		#209	[url]	[-]
Moderator Veteran Member Posts: 1535 12/13/09 11:47 AM	CSNPhilly.com with a rundown of the Halladay acquisition from a Phillies perspective..... Phils general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. is obsessed with Halladay. People close to Amaro say he began plotting strategy to get Halladay as far back as the summer of 2008. Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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TokenWilliams		#210	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 625 12/13/09 12:19 PM	dominican soxfan wrote: Would a proposal of Bowden, Lowrie, Reddick, and Max Ramirez be too much to give up for the right to negotiate with Halladay? That won't even keep Toronto on the phone.
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buffs44444	Halladay to the Phillies? Lee to ???	#211	[url]	[-]
Moderator Veteran Member Posts: 1539 12/14/09 3:55 PM	The Phillies' pursuit of Toronto ace Roy Halladay appears to be reaching a boil. Two baseball sources told CSNPhilly.com Monday that the team is actively talking about a contract extension with representatives for the 32-year-old righthander. It is likely that the Phillies would want to sign Halladay to an extension before they traded for him. Without an extension, Halladay would be eligible for free agency after the 2010 season. link Toronto Blue Jays pitcher Roy Halladay and his agent have checked into a Philadelphia-area hotel, according to two Inquirer sources. It is not known if a trade sending Halladay to the Phillies is imminent, but if Halladay and the Phils are negotiating--as is indicated by the pitcher's presence in Philadelphia--that would suggest that the Phils and Blue Jays are far enough along in talks for Halladay to discuss a potential contract extension with the Phils. Halladay has one year remaining on his contract before becoming a free agent. link It is unclear which players the Phillies would send to the Blue Jays if the deal happens, but there were indications Monday that pitcher Cliff Lee could be traded. Trading Lee would help the Phillies get the prospects needed to complete the deal with Toronto. It would also free up $9 million in salary that would help the Phillies take on Halladay's $15.75 million salary for 2010. link If Halladay is going to Philly, the next best thing would be to help facilitate the trade by dealing prospects to the Phillies for Lee. Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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Yirmiyahu		#212	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 729 12/14/09 4:01 PM	buffs44444 wrote: It is unclear which players the Phillies would send to the Blue Jays if the deal happens, but there were indications Monday that pitcher Cliff Lee could be traded. Trading Lee would help the Phillies get the prospects needed to complete the deal with Toronto. It would also free up $9 million in salary that would help the Phillies take on Halladay's $15.75 million salary for 2010. link If Halladay is going to Philly, the next best thing would be to help facilitate the trade by dealing prospects to the Phillies for Lee. That's a mind-boggingly complicated transaction, with a lot of contingencies before it could be finalized. Trading Lee for prospects, flipping those prospects to Toronto, agreeing to an extension with Halladay. ADD: Theo loves complicated transactions.
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templeUsox		#213	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15147 12/14/09 4:02 PM Ian Northeast Scout SoxProspects.com	I'm still confused about what type of marginal upgrade the Phillies think Halladay is from Lee.
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adiospaydro2005	Halladay to Phillies?	#214	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1567 12/14/09 4:04 PM Veteran Member	Per Philly Inquirer... Toronto Blue Jays pitcher Roy Halladay and his agent have checked into a Philadelphia-area hotel, according to two Inquirer sources. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Halladay_and_agent_in_Philadelphia.html Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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JimRiceRocks		#215	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1212 12/14/09 4:07 PM Veteran Member	templeUsox wrote: I'm still confused about what type of marginal upgrade the Phillies think Halladay is from Lee. That was my first reaction. I thought the idea for someone like the Phils would be to acquire Halladay and have an awesome pitching staff - dealing Lee would seem to negate much of that. "You can never have too much bitching" - left coast bosox fan "No wonder a lot of opponent's announcers have bullpenis envy - left coast bosox fan
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Yirmiyahu		#216	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 730 12/14/09 4:37 PM	templeUsox wrote: I'm still confused about what type of marginal upgrade the Phillies think Halladay is from Lee. Maybe they see him as better tailored for their ballpark, as he keeps a lot more balls on the ground than Lee? Dunno. It'd be an odd transaction for a lot of reasons.
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jdb		#217	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 345 12/14/09 4:40 PM	http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors Ken Rosenthal and 710 ESPN in Seattle are both reporting that Seattle could be a third team in the Halladay talks that could involve left-hander Cliff Lee being part of the trade -- presumably heading to Seattle.
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templeUsox		#218	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15148 12/14/09 4:42 PM Ian Northeast Scout SoxProspects.com	Halladay to PHI. Cliff Lee to SEA. King Felix to TO. It would be the most awesomely redundant trade of all time.
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Yirmiyahu		#219	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 732 12/14/09 4:44 PM	jdb wrote: http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors Ken Rosenthal and 710 ESPN in Seattle are both reporting that Seattle could be a third team in the Halladay talks that could involve left-hander Cliff Lee being part of the trade -- presumably heading to Seattle. With all these big transactions (Chone Figgins, Jack Wilson, possibly Jason Bay, possibly Cliff Lee, possibly Adrian Beltre), and the Angels hemorrhaging free agents, Seattle is quickly becoming the favorite in the AL West, no? They only won 12 games fewer than the Angels last year.
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buffs44444		#220	[url]	[-]
Moderator Veteran Member Posts: 1540 12/14/09 4:45 PM	jdb wrote: Ken Rosenthal and 710 ESPN in Seattle are both reporting that Seattle could be a third team in the Halladay talks that could involve left-hander Cliff Leebeing part of the trade -- presumably heading to Seattle Strange, I would have figured it would been the Angels, given the Lackey situation. Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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