Maybe Bard can teach him a thing or two about his biting slider either in 2010 or 2011 camp. Because his arsenal is so developed for his young age, it
definitely makes sense to add another weapon in the near future, and might keep him more focused on his "off" days. He seems to just get pitching, as
can be common with kids with ML bloodlines, because they are exposed to great instruction from day one. I wouldn't call the news too surprising, but
I'm glad it's been cemented that 2010 will be fully devoted to pitching; you can never be disappointed with TotR or MotR infusions from the farm.
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SoxSail wrote: While there were some posts from other members that I felt were a bit over the line, I was primarily referring to Greek's posts.
aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he
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Theo said he could help the Sox in late 2011! Can you believe this. He isn't going anywhere for anyone. He is going to replace Beckett's spot.
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If Kelly is going to help the parent club in late 2011, his innings are going to have to be carefully managed for the next two years.
As far as his ceiling, we know nothing yet, really. He's too young. His pitches are still developing, and his velocity may be also, though we can't know about that. But what we do know is that he seems to have an exceptional "feel" for pitching, and that it seems to be natural. Now how dominant can such a grasp of "feel" make him? I think the real test for Kelly, as it is for a lot of "pitchers as opposed to throwers", will be at AAA. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Kelly can march up to and through AA, because even a lot of the good AA hitting prospects are guys who have good natural tools and can handle good stuff, but can still be fooled and made to get themselves out. The AAA hitters are older, smarter, and have seen more, with a lot of them having been to the majors. They can think and plan along with a cerebral and crafty pitcher. If Kelly gets to AAA and has an extensive period of adjustment, that may be an indication that while he knows pitching, he doesn't have the whole package needed to be consistently dominant in the majors. If he handles AAA without much adjustment, then we need to throw out all limitations on his ceiling. |
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raftsox wrote:I know this site has Kelly between 89-92 on the profile page and I've heard conflicting reports of what it actually is. However, if he works between 90-94 with great command, sharp movement and good "life" on his pitches then he's already got the velocity he needs. I haven't seen him pitch, but does his fast ball have "life"? Late movement, etc? Some people throw 94 and it's a slow 94 because it's straight and doesn't have that "explosive" movement. In fact, most pitchers work in the low 90's, and a lot of really good ones very rarely, if every go 95 or higher. Some quick research via fan graphs velo charts: Brandon Webb - always has worked low 90's Cole Hamels - works low 90's Cliff Lee - high 80's/low 90's Vasquez - used to throw harder, but this past year, arguably his best was all low 90's, never topping 95 Halladay - 92/93 Lincecum - can dial it up, but he sat mainly 93ish - looking at his charts he didn't go over 95 all that often and it was 96/97 not close to 100 like his first 2 years. I guess what is to be seen is can he work at 92/93 or is that his "dial it up". If it's the latter then he can still be a top pitcher, see Cliff Lee, but it might take a lot more bumps and bruises to get there. It's entirely possible that he see's the Sox rotation in 2011. The Sox are not afraid to push guys up and through if they feel they are properly developed. As long as, he's as advanced as they say he is and he keeps the ball down then I see that exact thing happening. There is a good chance he's in AA by the second/third month of this season and if that's the case Boston is only a phone call away. We've all said it before. The Red Sox look for certain things to be developed. Fastball command is definitely one of them. Reports are he has that, can go inside and outside, up and down. Theo said he has 3 plus pitches, not he's has the potential to develop 3 plus pitches. The big things now are refinement, build up of strength/stamina and maybe add a 4th pitch. NOt saying he's perfect by any stretch, but he seems to be pretty advanced. Let's see if he's ready to compete with higher competition. If he truly is bored with pitching look for them to challenge him with tougher competition. |
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"It took me a long time, sitting down with my family and talking over everything," he [CK] said. "Just sat down, put the emotion aside and asked myself what my main goal was in baseball and that was to make it to the big leagues. Pitching will get me there faster and I'l have a longer career in the big leagues."From the globe post that talks about how he has "every chance" to be a part of the Portland rotation. |
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Yankees scouting director Damon Oppenheimer said he had a lot of interest in taking Casey Kelly in the 2008 draft, but selected southern California right-hander Gerrit Cole instead. |
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I can't remember the last time the Red Sox were this forthcoming with details about a player's development plan. This smells like a hard sell to me -
Hagadone comes to mind.
I've got a funny feeling the Sox are going to try to sell high on him. It's completely unfounded, but like I said, this is eerily reminiscent of the pimping of Hagadone. (Note that I don't necessarily mean this offseason) That said, if they're saying right now that he could start in Portland, and ONLY mentioning Portland, then ticket him to Portland barring a catastrophe.
"2 more wins this weekend will only get us closer to being ranked #1 in the country." - Jonathan Singer
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He are some interesting comments from Gary DiSarcina on Kelly.
DiSarcina, in fact, had been one of Kelly's biggest backers as a shortstop. Being a former major league shortstop, DiSarcina had been extremely impressed by Kelly's short audition at Lowell in 2008. But then came a game against Single A Charleston, when Kelly was pitching for Greenville, with DiSarcina in attendance.Kelly in the Globe |
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Arquimedez Bozo wrote: I might be crazy, but I absolutely believe that all the "Kelly is untouchable in a deal for Halladay" rumors/leaks we've been hearing have everything to do with eventually making him the centerpiece of a Halladay deal.
"Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the
cheese."- Buck Martinez
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I think they honestly love this kid. He is everything they look for in a pitcher.
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Archie Graham wrote:But he's in the low minors with only a year of pro pitching under his belt. That alone should mean he isn't untouchable, in my book. |
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You're also talking about Theo here and he loves his prospects, more specifically the ones at the top. Look at what he's trying to do. He wants a
team full of home grown talent. It just gives so much flexibility. The most valuable of those are the top of the line starters. Kelly and Buchholz are going
no where unless King Felix (top pitcher and young) or AGon (young, cost controlled for a couple years, middle of the order bat) become available.
It just doesn't make sense to give up Kelly/Buchholz and other prospects, plus pay a huge extension for a 34 year old starter no matter how good he is. I'd rather over-pay for Lackey and keep the prospects. Is Lackey as good as Roy? Nope, clearly not, but he's not far behind. Roy is an Ace, no doubt... Lackey spends mosto f his time pitching like an Ace, but is a step below Roy. However, he's younger and doesn't cost players. |
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