Casey Kelly to pitch full time

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Nolson20		#101	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 364 12/07/09 7:22 PM	Guidas wrote: Our long National nightmare has finally ended. Does this mean Theo can't deal this guy now in a package for Josh Johnson, Roy Halladay or Felix Hernandez? Even more of an opportunity to maximize the hype because now he can be sold as "committed to pitching." Don't get me wrong - he seems like a great prospect, but the #2 at best ceiling has me thinking if you can use him and a couple (for Halladay) or four to five (Johnson, Felix) other minor league chips to get a #1 leverage may never be higher. Johnson and Hernandez likely but Halladay if Theo isn't lying then no. I think his ceiling if he doesn't fill out and add velocity is a #2-3 right now but if he adds a couple of MPH on his velocity which certainly isn't out of the question and keeps his control I could see him being a legitimate #1-2 starter. I won't use the word ace but think he can be that front of the line guy for us.
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IBSmith85		#102	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 91 12/07/09 7:47 PM	KLaw on the decision... "A no-brainer, really. Kelly's so advanced as a pitcher that a 2011 debut is quite possible. He's a very solid defensive shortstop but is still a good four years away with the bat. He needs to quit hitting to concentrate on pitching and build up a season's worth of stamina. Approve." http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors "I will repeat as Rookie of the Year". - Dustin Pedroia
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hletterhart		#103	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 18 12/07/09 7:54 PM	Sweet Jesus. "'He's got three pitches that all project as plus -- actually four, if you count the two-seam and four-seam fastball, power curveball [and] changeup," Epstein said. "He could at some point add a slider when appropriate, but right now, [he has] three pitches. He's got command well beyond his experience. He's got great feel, he's got the ability to manipulate the ball both ways, and on both sides of the plate.'"
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adiospaydro2005		#104	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1554 12/07/09 8:03 PM Veteran Member	I even happier that Kelly hasn't been linked to Tiger. Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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left coast bosox fan		#105	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3470 12/07/09 8:11 PM Veteran Member	Over this past year, there were several instances where Kelly's changeup was being called a slider by announcers. It even got to the point where he was directly asked if he threw a slider or a change up. Pretty much consistently (and verified by one scouting report that I recall but can't source), from the side it looks like a slider, from straight on it looks like a changeup. I would think that adding an actual slider would make his changeup even more effective, even if the slider was just a show me.
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AMarshal2		#106	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9039 12/07/09 8:56 PM Aaron Senior Moderator SoxProspects Forum	templeUsox wrote: The Casey Kelly news cycle is hard to keep up with. Are we still mad at him for something he never did or have we moved on? I think there are a couple posters who should be embarrassed. When it comes to things like the Boston media or the Sox FO, it's really not that hard to see the forest through the trees. aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he can golden glove field in his sleep. tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong.
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templeUsox		#107	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15108 12/07/09 9:07 PM Ian Northeast Scout SoxProspects.com	Yup. It has been very clear since the beginning of summer which way Casey would ultimately play. Essentially, athletes are not complicated people. Or maybe they are complicated, but the decisions they make are very rational and predictable. It is simply a numbers game. Yea, Kelly might be bored as a pitcher. But he's going to be bored all the way to the bank.
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TheGoldenGreek33		#108	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3355 12/07/09 9:09 PM Veteran Member	If true, this is the only thing I'll eat crow on: "I think it's very clear that he's a very, very talented pitcher. That's not to take away from his talent as a position player," said Sambito. "I think it was clear that his path to the big leagues was going to be somewhat shorter than as a position player. It really was Casey's decision - 100 percent. He had to search deep down inside and decide what he wanted to do. John Courtright and I were there for guidance, but it was really Casey's decision. That's what it was - Casey's decision." link
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Arquimedez Bozo		#109	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8900 12/07/09 9:12 PM Chris Hatfield Senior Editor & Columnist SoxProspects.com	templeUsox wrote: Yup. It has been very clear since the beginning of summer which way Casey would ultimately play. Essentially, athletes are not complicated people. Or maybe they are complicated, but the decisions they make are very rational and predictable. It is simply a numbers game. Yea, Kelly might be bored as a pitcher. But he's going to be bored all the way to the bank. Best quote of the day from a guy I work with in regard to this situation (not Mike, fyi): Me: It's tough, because he apparently wants to play shortstop instead. Other guy: Well, so do I. Doesn't mean I'm going to try and do that instead of what makes sense. It's simple, but kind of puts the whole thing in perspective. "2 more wins this weekend will only get us closer to being ranked #1 in the country." - Jonathan Singer
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Cem21		#110	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2500 12/07/09 9:18 PM Chris Mellen Director of Scouting SoxProspects.com	Here's another nugget from Kelly's agent Joe Sambito from the linked article above. "I think he's going to gain another mile per hour or two on his fastball. It's got good sink. His curveball is a 12-to-6, and I think he can make that better. His changeup that he's got… And he's got command of all three. I told him, the stuff that I see from you gets big-league hitters out. You can be competitive with the stuff you have now, and it's only going to get better. It's exciting." That's good advice to quote Jimmy Dugan.
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Sibby Sisti		#111	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 329 12/07/09 9:19 PM	TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: If true, this is the only thing I'll eat crow on: "I think it's very clear that he's a very, very talented pitcher. That's not to take away from his talent as a position player," said Sambito. "I think it was clear that his path to the big leagues was going to be somewhat shorter than as a position player. It really was Casey's decision - 100 percent. He had to search deep down inside and decide what he wanted to do. John Courtright and I were there for guidance, but it was really Casey's decision. That's what it was - Casey's decision." linkSo, if we are to accept Joe Sambito's story, the Red Sox appear to have had little influence in the decision. "It really was Casey's decision- 100%". I'd have assumed that the organization which has paid his bonuses and salary, would have had at least a percentage of that decision.
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AMarshal2		#112	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9040 12/07/09 9:46 PM Aaron Senior Moderator SoxProspects Forum	Arquimedez Bozo wrote: Best quote of the day from a guy I work with in regard to this situation (not Mike, fyi): Me: It's tough, because he apparently wants to play shortstop instead. Other guy: Well, so do I. Doesn't mean I'm going to try and do that instead of what makes sense. It's simple, but kind of puts the whole thing in perspective. This is where I was the entire time. I could barely even look at this thread. Ok, so he would rather be a shortsop. That's nice. Would he rather end up in a real job than be a MLB pitcher? Because that's what we're talking about here. This was obvious. The Red Sox knew it was obvious. All they had to do was show him how strongly they felt about his future on the mound vs. SS and it was highly likely he would make the right decision for himself. Further, they NEEDED him to make the decision on his own so that he was fully committed to it. If he had been stupid and picked SS, I bet they would have let him do it. There's no sense in forcing someone to do something they don't want to do, it won't work out. aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he can golden glove field in his sleep. tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong.
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804Sox		#113	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 977 12/07/09 10:39 PM	Well, I'M still mad at his dad . . .
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TheGoldenGreek33		#114	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3356 12/07/09 10:49 PM Veteran Member	Were we blowing it out of proportion? Yeah. But, for god sakes, it's the off-season. It was/is an extremely unique situation with the 'top' prospect in the system. God forbid we bring up every possibility on a prospect site. What do you suggest we do instead? Talk about how we should trade for Gonzalez and Felix and sign Holliday?
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AMarshal2		#115	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9042 12/07/09 11:01 PM Aaron Senior Moderator SoxProspects Forum	I agree that reason and rationale thought is often too boring for people who just want to waste time on the internet. Particularly on a prospect site, there really is not much to discuss during the off-season that doesn't involve wild speculation. That doesn't mean that people should make unfounded accusations about people's intelligence or state of mind, and there was a little of that going on. aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he can golden glove field in his sleep. tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong. Last Edited By: AMarshal2 12/07/09 11:04 PM. Edited 1 time.
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TokenWilliams		#116	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 599 12/07/09 11:06 PM	I'm pretty sure no one should feel dumb considering everything was predicated with "If he doesn't want to pitch"... like Greek said... it's the offseason; you talk about possibilities. It's clear as day to us that he should be pitching, but for someone who's supremely confident in his abilities then it's not out of the question that he could think he could be a short stop... Thank God he wants to pitch now and it will be interesting to see how he handles higher levels. Theo talks about him like he's a budding number 1 and some people on here talk about him like he's at best a number 3... just happy he's pitching and Theo's not trading him for Halladay
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OCD SS		#117	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 703 12/08/09 12:07 AM Veteran Member	Guidas wrote: Does this mean Theo can't deal this guy now in a package for Josh Johnson, Roy Halladay or Felix Hernandez? Even more of an opportunity to maximize the hype because now he can be sold as "committed to pitching." The Fan's Commissioner just tweetered that he got a full no trade clause from the Sox for agreeing to pitch full time. *"I'd like to fck Sandra Bullock"** - Pedro, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
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Arquimedez Bozo		#118	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8904 12/08/09 12:13 AM Chris Hatfield Senior Editor & Columnist SoxProspects.com	TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: What do you suggest we do instead? Rip off other people's ideas and pass them off as our own? "2 more wins this weekend will only get us closer to being ranked #1 in the country." - Jonathan Singer
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SoxSail		#119	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 395 12/08/09 2:06 AM	It's funny Greek. I assumed Aaron was ripping on me. I'm still going to assume that's at least partly true, and agree with you that going over all the contingencies was the goal, and that it's not really that frivolous considering the time of year. Anyway, I'm glad that Theo convinced the kid to stay on the mound. EDIT: grammar Last Edited By: SoxSail 12/08/09 10:47 AM. Edited 1 time.
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raftsox		#120	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1454 12/08/09 10:09 AM	Guidas wrote: the #2 at best ceiling I think we're all in concensus that he'll very likely be a 2/3, but his ceiling is higher. It's not unheard of for pitchers to add significant velocity in a short period of time (Lester for one), and velocity is the one (major) thing limiting him. Now that he's a starter for sure, I'm hoping a large part of next season is spent developing a cutter or slider. I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head. ... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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