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SoxSail		#141	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 343 11/19/09 6:12 PM	Wait, honest question: do they have a reason to baby Britton more than other Greenville pitchers (a la Stolmy, Kelly etc. last year)?
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raftsox		#142	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1422 11/20/09 10:39 AM	He did just have Tommy John surgery. As WCP mentioned though, he'll be pretty far removed from it by the time the season rolls around. I've noticed that the FO tends to be less agressive with guys coming off injuries. In contrast to Kelly, Stolmy, etc Britton will likely be on a pitch count limit whereas those guys were on an innings limit. There probably won't be a whole lot of "babying" done, but I doubt they just let him pitch without some control. I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head. ... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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TheGoldenGreek33		#143	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3296 11/24/09 5:04 AM Veteran Member	Adam Foster, the guy who runs Project Prospect, has his top 15 shortstop list out. Iglesias was 4th, Navarro was 14th, and Renfroe was 15th.
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Arquimedez Bozo		#144	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8817 11/24/09 10:30 AM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: Adam Foster, the guy who runs Project Prospect, has his top 15 shortstop list out. Iglesias was 4th, Navarro was 14th, and Renfroe was 15th. Damn you and your college sleep schedule - just came on here to post that. Foster has been all over the Sox on those lists: SP: Tazawa - 14th, Kelly - 19th, Pimentel - 27th CF: Westmoreland - 4th, Lin - 6th, Kalish - 8th COF: Reddick - 11th 3B: None SS: Iglesias - 4th, Navarro - 14th, Renfroe - 15th 2B: None 1B: Rizzo - 9th, Anderson - 12th Catcher comes out next week and I'd be stunned if Exposito isn't on there. "They should go to soxprospect so BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - legendary words from a legendary man "By the way I like the Canadian accent of Chris Hatfield" - the other Charlie Zink guy My Twitter / SoxProspects Twitter / SoxProspects on Facebook
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buffs44444		#145	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1367 11/24/09 12:09 PM	Great stuff, thanks for the link Greek/AB. I was surprised to see, as one of the other posters in the PP forum noted, the lack of Lee (CHC) on that list. Not that he's a top 100 prospect, but I would expect him above Navarro / Renfroe. Either way, good stuff.... Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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buffs44444		#146	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1413 11/29/09 10:43 PM	Two weeks or so until BA posts their ranking of the Sox top 10 (Dec 14th). After seeing Lars drop so much in the BP rankings, it will be interesting to see where he falls on the BA rankings. From last week's chat with Jim Callis on espn.com: sean (seattle) Hi Jim,Lars Anderson '10 is more like Lars 08' or Lars 09'? Jim Callis I think he'll bounce back in 2010. He had a disappointing year after expectations were so high, but he also was 21 and in Double-A. He's still well ahead of where most guys his age should be. Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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BorisMan		#147	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 750 11/30/09 8:01 AM Veteran Member	One thing to keep in mind, and Jim Callis kinda touched on it, is his age for AA. While there's a bunch of other prospects his age, please keep in mind that if Lars chose to go to college, this would be his Jr. season. If he was draft eligible, people could be talking about him the same way they talked about Dustin Ackley last year or Yonder Alonso the year before. You know his power numbers would be higher hitting with aluminum. So yeah, we need to give Lars a benefit of the doubt or a mulligan for last years' struggles. That said, he still deserves to be ranked in the bottom half of the top 10. It's the what have you done for me lately syndrome.
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soxprospects		#148	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7223 11/30/09 8:45 AM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	2008-2009 would have been Lars' junior season. 2009-10 would be his senior season.
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BorisMan		#149	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 751 11/30/09 10:57 AM Veteran Member	Oops! Thought he was drafted '07. Scratch that. He still probably would have been drafted in the top half of the 1st round and would've played at a Low A/High A affiliate if signed on time.
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Arquimedez Bozo		#150	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8845 11/30/09 12:26 PM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	BorisMan wrote: Oops! Thought he was drafted '07. Scratch that. He still probably would have been drafted in the top half of the 1st round and would've played at a Low A/High A affiliate if signed on time. I think Jacoby Ellsbury would be the best recent comp as an elite college draftee. Ellsbury played at Lowell after signing, although Lars probably could have handled Greenville and may have been pushed there with McGuiness in Lowell. Ellsbury started his first full season at High-A and advanced to Portland midseason, which is likely what Lars the 2009 College Draftee would have done. So, point stands, he's well ahead of where he'd be if he'd gone to Berkeley. "They should go to soxprospect so BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - legendary words from a legendary man "By the way I like the Canadian accent of Chris Hatfield" - the other Charlie Zink guy My Twitter / SoxProspects Twitter / SoxProspects on Facebook
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soxcentral		#151	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1042 12/02/09 6:40 PM Veteran Member	Buffs? Nice try with the attempted sneak preview! Lou (Boulder, CO) Jim, thanks for the chat today! Does Red Sox prospect Jose Vinicio make their Top 30? Any chance we can get a teaser of the top 5 or top 10 or are they still in progress for the 12/14 release? Jim Callis (2:24 PM) I'm close to finalizing that list so I can start writing (I write the Red Sox and Cubs Top 30s). The system is pretty deep in young talent, and right now Vinicio is just missing the cut. Won't give you any sneak preview other than to tell you that I'm agonizing over Kelly vs. Westmoreland for the No. 1 spot.
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Nexus		#152	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 353 12/03/09 2:49 PM	Manuel ranks Sox as 11th best system heading into '10 (link): Red Sox System is very young, but SS/RHP Casey Kelly, OF Ryan Westmoreland could be special. Last Edited By: Nexus 12/03/09 2:54 PM. Edited 1 time.
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mredsox89		#153	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 864 12/03/09 6:30 PM	Nexus wrote: Manuel ranks Sox as 11th best system heading into '10 (link): Red Sox System is very young, but SS/RHP Casey Kelly, OF Ryan Westmoreland could be special. Their system will improve significantly imo after the upcoming draft. They will most likely have Atlanta's 1st, then either their own first if they sign Bay or another teams 1st if they sign Holliday, in addition to multiple 1s picks.
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radiohix		#154	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 16 12/03/09 6:40 PM	Nexus wrote: Manuel ranks Sox as 11th best system heading into '10 (link): Red Sox System is very young, but SS/RHP Casey Kelly, OF Ryan Westmoreland could be special. He didn't ranks the Sox as the 11th system: He listed the 6-15 alphabetically.
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Nexus		#155	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 354 12/03/09 6:57 PM	radiohix wrote: He didn't ranks the Sox as the 11th system: He listed the 6-15 alphabetically. Whoops, good catch. Good, I'll just assume we're 6th then.
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Arquimedez Bozo		#156	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8860 12/03/09 7:34 PM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	mredsox89 wrote: Their system will improve significantly imo after the upcoming draft. They will most likely have Atlanta's 1st, then either their own first if they sign Bay or another teams 1st if they sign Holliday, in addition to multiple 1s picks. But not necessarily. Players will graduate (Bowden, Tazawa, Richardson seem like certainties, and some of the other Portland guys could move quickly) and I've got a feeling we're going to see a few guys packaged in a trade before the start of the year. Lars Anderson also asked me to say that sometimes, players take a step backward. Not saying the system WON'T improve, and picking up a few extra picks definitely helps, but it's not as much of a sure thing as it may seem. "They should go to soxprospect so BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - legendary words from a legendary man "By the way I like the Canadian accent of Chris Hatfield" - the other Charlie Zink guy My Twitter / SoxProspects Twitter / SoxProspects on Facebook
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cwaaa		#157	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 672 12/04/09 1:59 AM	Nexus wrote: radiohix wrote: He didn't ranks the Sox as the 11th system: He listed the 6-15 alphabetically. Whoops, good catch. Good, I'll just assume we're 6th then. I'd guess 15 would probably be closer. "I mean Enrique Gonzalez is such a good and useful pitcher for the Sox, right? That's a rheotorical question, he's not." -CZink, in a fit of rage about his boy being passed over for yet another start.
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mredsox89		#158	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 872 12/04/09 2:41 AM	Arquimedez Bozo wrote: mredsox89 wrote: Their system will improve significantly imo after the upcoming draft. They will most likely have Atlanta's 1st, then either their own first if they sign Bay or another teams 1st if they sign Holliday, in addition to multiple 1s picks. But not necessarily. Players will graduate (Bowden, Tazawa, Richardson seem like certainties, and some of the other Portland guys could move quickly) and I've got a feeling we're going to see a few guys packaged in a trade before the start of the year. Lars Anderson also asked me to say that sometimes, players take a step backward. Not saying the system WON'T improve, and picking up a few extra picks definitely helps, but it's not as much of a sure thing as it may seem. I see what you are saying. But from what I have read around the net, no one is really viewing Bowden high anymore with these latest rankings. Solid prospect, yes but not as he was a year ago. Also with Richardson, the latest projections don't have him as much more than a solid RP, again, him graduating probably won't drastically hurt their rankings.
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Arquimedez Bozo		#159	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8870 12/04/09 8:27 AM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	mredsox89 wrote: I see what you are saying. But from what I have read around the net, no one is really viewing Bowden high anymore with these latest rankings. Solid prospect, yes but not as he was a year ago. Also with Richardson, the latest projections don't have him as much more than a solid RP, again, him graduating probably won't drastically hurt their rankings. Solid points, and it's definitely not like the attrition around when Ellsbury, Lowrie, Masterson, Buchholz etc. were graduating at the same time. I'm just saying it's never as easy as take System A and add Draft Picks B to get the system's Value C next offseason. I do have to admit I LOVE the possibility of two top-20 picks (plus two supp picks) if the Mariners sign Bay though. "They should go to soxprospect so BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - legendary words from a legendary man "By the way I like the Canadian accent of Chris Hatfield" - the other Charlie Zink guy My Twitter / SoxProspects Twitter / SoxProspects on Facebook
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left coast bosox fan		#160	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3466 12/06/09 5:34 AM Veteran Member	No small point on the above discussion. As well as players unexpectedly falling, there's also the distinct possibility of players rising unexpectedly. Place, Amanzar, Tejeda, Middlebrooks, Fuentes, Britton, etc. are all still very young and still have the potential to significantly improve their current status. Overall, we are comparatively young and another year of development means significant improvement in our overall status. We just need a little more patience than we are accustomed to. The depth of toolsy prospects is our strongpoint. "According to Elias, Wang's ERA of 21.60 as a starter is the worst ERA for the first 5 starts in the history of baseball." ... YES Network 6/11/2009 Last Edited By: left coast bosox fan 12/06/09 5:42 AM. Edited 2 times.
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