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The Curious Case of Jose Iglesias (2010 Chapter)

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Yirmiyahu		#41	[url]	[-]
Posts: 629 11/30/09 1:52 PM Forum Moderator	I agree that the AFL is a very high level of competition, but I want to point out that it seemed to be pretty hitter-friendly. In 2009, the AFL averaged 5.99 runs/game; compare that to MLB, which averaged 4.61 runs/game last year... Just wanted to throw that out there in regards to Iglesias' performance.
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amfox1		#42	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6352 11/30/09 2:44 PM Senior Forum Moderator	SoxSail wrote: Even if Iglesias doesn't have much power or a supremely quick bat, he could improve a lot, just by becoming more patient, and improving his eye. Obviously, the added walks, plus the better pitches swung at would help. As for using his AFL scouting as a base, it seemed very influenced by the previous reports. On the flip side, he was facing fairly middling comptetition, so his results (I know, not part of the scouting reports) should also be taken with a grain of salt. I think that after seeing A+ (maybe a little higher?) level pitching this Fall, he should start there. (I'm assuming and predicting that he'll play at that level in ST.) I was pretty convinced prior to the AFL that he would start in Salem. Now I am fairly convinced that he will start in AA.
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Yirmiyahu		#43	[url]	[-]
Posts: 630 11/30/09 3:07 PM Forum Moderator	Honest question: how could it harm Iglesias to start out in Salem? Pitchers in the Carolina League had an average age of 22.9 last year, and he turns 20 in January. If he does well, then he can be promoted early in the season. Iglesias' hitting is such a question mark, and we know about the effects of top prospects being rushed, I don't see the harm in being conservative with him to start out.
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raftsox		#44	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1434 11/30/09 3:22 PM	Options maybe, but if I remember correctly an amateur player signing a professional contract automatically gains a 4th option year, see Hanson, Craig. I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head. ... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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Sibby Sisti		#45	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 320 11/30/09 3:30 PM	Another thing to consider in the placement of Jose in AA is the impact on Navarro. Either they share the SS position or Navarro moves to third base. Inasmuch as he is considerd a top 20 prospect and struggled mightily when called up to Portland, it may be better to start Iglesias at Salem, with Navarro beginning a full year at Portland. The, depending on results, the placements can be adjusted.
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FenwayTheHardWay		#46	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1671 11/30/09 3:33 PM Veteran Member	Yirmiyahu wrote: Honest question: how could it harm Iglesias to start out in Salem? Pitchers in the Carolina League had an average age of 22.9 last year, and he turns 20 in January. If he does well, then he can be promoted early in the season. Iglesias' hitting is such a question mark, and we know about the effects of top prospects being rushed, I don't see the harm in being conservative with him to start out. Right. Are the Red Sox in such desperate need to get this guy to the majors that he can't spend a month or two in Salem? I don't see any reason not to do that. "Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the cheese."- Buck Martinez
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amfox1		#47	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6353 11/30/09 4:17 PM Senior Forum Moderator	FenwayTheHardWay wrote: Yirmiyahu wrote: Honest question: how could it harm Iglesias to start out in Salem? Pitchers in the Carolina League had an average age of 22.9 last year, and he turns 20 in January. If he does well, then he can be promoted early in the season. Iglesias' hitting is such a question mark, and we know about the effects of top prospects being rushed, I don't see the harm in being conservative with him to start out. Right. Are the Red Sox in such desperate need to get this guy to the majors that he can't spend a month or two in Salem? I don't see any reason not to do that. Having Iglesias make a smooth transition to US baseball is paramount. Therefore, keeping him with Kalish and Exposito, with whom he shared AFL (especially Expo, who was his AFL roomie), is important is helping Iglesias to assimilate. You do not want to take a player new to the country, have him go to Salem for two months, and then have to move and recalibrate himself to a new city. It is much, much better to keep Iglesias in one place for most of the year. See Tazawa, Junichi. Therefore, assuming health and continued spring training performance, I believe he is assigned to Portland. As for Navarro, I believe he would primarily play 3B to start the year in Portland but will also get some time at 2B and SS.
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Arquimedez Bozo		#48	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8848 11/30/09 4:20 PM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	raftsox wrote: Options maybe, but if I remember correctly an amateur player signing a professional contract automatically gains a 4th option year, see Hanson, Craig. Not quite the rule, but essentially could still apply here, as that is pretty much the group of players that would get a fourth option. From the Wiki: Players are eligible for a fourth option season if they have been optioned in three seasons but have not yet amassed five full seasons of professional service time. A full season is defined as a player being on any professional roster for at least 90 days in a given season, excluding DL time. Thus, recent draftees and short-season players often do not amass a full season. "They should go to soxprospect so BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - legendary words from a legendary man "By the way I like the Canadian accent of Chris Hatfield" - the other Charlie Zink guy My Twitter / SoxProspects Twitter / SoxProspects on Facebook
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Arquimedez Bozo		#49	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8849 11/30/09 4:22 PM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	Yirmiyahu wrote: Honest question: how could it harm Iglesias to start out in Salem? Pitchers in the Carolina League had an average age of 22.9 last year, and he turns 20 in January. If he does well, then he can be promoted early in the season. Iglesias' hitting is such a question mark, and we know about the effects of top prospects being rushed, I don't see the harm in being conservative with him to start out. Well, considering the transition process, you probably don't want to jerk him around between levels more than you want to. Along those lines, one thing to consider is that Luis Exposito has become his de facto translator/U.S. guide. Keeping Iglesias with him might not be a terrible thing. All that said, I'm personally split 50/50 on Portland vs. Salem. "They should go to soxprospect so BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - legendary words from a legendary man "By the way I like the Canadian accent of Chris Hatfield" - the other Charlie Zink guy My Twitter / SoxProspects Twitter / SoxProspects on Facebook
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SoxSail		#50	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 372 11/30/09 4:22 PM	Arquimedez Bozo wrote: SoxSail wrote: On the flip side, he was facing fairly middling comptetition SoxSail, most of the players in the AFL are in AA or AAA. Each team is only even allowed to send one player who was below that level as of Aug. 1. Plus, the AFL is mostly populated by elite prospects, and this was a particularly strong year if you believe the reports. I would most certainly NOT use "middling" to describe the pitching he's seen in the AFL. A couple of people on this board, as well as ESPN's AFL coverage have commented on how the pitching seemed to be far behind the hitting this year in the AFL. If you look at our own pitchers, we sent guys who project as middle relievers in the MLB at best, and I think there were a lot of guys like that, while many of the elite high level pitching prospects had already reached their innings for the season. There were also some very good pitchers, as well as some guys who project to be very good, but were pitching professionally for the first time (Strasburg for example.) I really thought I'd heard that the pitching Iglesias was facing was not quite the equivalent of an every-day AA rotation; is that me overreacting to the Sox' in the league and a couple of throwaway comments, or is AB closer to the truth?
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amfox1		#51	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6354 11/30/09 5:30 PM Senior Forum Moderator	Iglesias faced the following pitchers during the last seven games: Donald Veal Danny Moskos Takanobu Tsujiuchi Andrew Johnston Mitch Talbot x2 Sam Demel Josh Perrault Ryohei Tanaka x2 Mickey Storey Hiroshi Katayama Justin Friend Robert Ray x2 Jeff Mandel Josh Perrault Ian Kennedy x2 Scott Moviel x2 Brennan Garr Chaz Roe Cesar Valdez Scott Mathieson Blake Wood Zack Kroenke Scott Moviel Scott Gorgen Adam Reifer
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SeaSox		#52	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 60 11/30/09 8:08 PM	The Sox have their shortstop of the future in Cuban defector Jose Iglesias, who sparkled in his Arizona Fall League debut. "The Red Sox could probably start him at Double-A next season if they wanted to," said one scout who watched him play. "He hit better than I thought he would, a real pesky, No. 2-type hitter, and the thing I really liked is that the kid was often the first one on the field, the first one in and out of the dugout, and smiling all the time, like he really loves the game. And defensively, the package is all there -- the arm, the hands, the range." Edes "Even if Austin Maddox killed two hookers last night, I still would have drafted him by now." Lightning Show
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soxjunkie	Where will Iglesias start?	#53	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 4 11/30/09 9:34 PM	My guess is he starts in Salem. If his bat shows improvement from the scouting report that we've read, then I can see him being promoted to Portland by mid summer. I think by now we have all read glowing reports on how he is the future SS. So I wouldn't be surprised if he was in Boston by sometime in 2011 (age not withstanding). A prospect fanatic can dream can't he?
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Nolson20	Re: Where will Iglesias start?	#54	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 341 11/30/09 9:49 PM	Portland
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Yirmiyahu	Re: Where will Iglesias start?	#55	[url]	[-]
Posts: 631 11/30/09 9:56 PM Forum Moderator	Cuba.
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TheGoldenGreek33		#56	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3306 11/30/09 10:00 PM Veteran Member	I'm not so sure plate discipline can be taught. Anybody can be taught to not swing at everything, but that's not what plate discipline is. Iglesias is never going to be a .360+ OBP guy. He's a free swinger and should put the ball in play 80% of the time. He has above-average speed, so being a contact hitter won't be a huge concern w/r/t double plays. I think the 2 hole is his upside, with the 8 being his more realistic projection.
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buffs44444		#57	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1416 11/30/09 10:12 PM	amfox1 wrote: Having Iglesias make a smooth transition to US baseball is paramount. Therefore, keeping him with Kalish and Exposito, with whom he shared AFL (especially Expo, who was his AFL roomie), is important is helping Iglesias to assimilate. You do not want to take a player new to the country, have him go to Salem for two months, and then have to move and recalibrate himself to a new city. It is much, much better to keep Iglesias in one place for most of the year. See Tazawa, Junichi. Therefore, assuming health and continued spring training performance, I believe he is assigned to Portland. As for Navarro, I believe he would primarily play 3B to start the year in Portland but will also get some time at 2B and SS. As usual, Adam, I think you nailed it. That's going to be a fun Sea Dog lineup to watch next year..... Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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