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buffs44444	Toronto Blue Jays sign Alex Gonzalez		Lead	[-]
Posts: 1393 11/26/09 11:30 AM	Tags : None tsn.ca: A day after signing shortstop John McDonald, the Toronto Blue Jays have apparently added another shortstop. According to Foxsports.com, the Jays signed Alex Gonzalez to a one-year deal. Terms of the deal were not released, but the signing of the 32-year old Gonzalez likely spells the end of Marco Scutaro's time in Toronto. Gonzalez, who split time last season with the Cincinnati Reds and Boston Red Sox, hit .238 with eight home runs in 112 games played. Gonzalez, who missed the entire 2008 season recovering from a knee injury, hit .272 with 16 home runs in 2007. Rosenthal Alex Gonzalez won't be BOS shortstop in 2010. Signed a one-year deal with TOR last night. Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push. Last Edited By: buffs44444 11/26/09 11:45 AM. Edited 1 time.
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mpaxisa		#1	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 122 11/26/09 11:36 AM	Get ready to give up a draft pick and sign Scutaro for multiple years.
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jdb		#2	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 288 11/26/09 11:43 AM	mpaxisa wrote: Get ready to give up a draft pick and sign Scutaro for multiple years. Unfortunatly I think that might happen. What are the odds they dont offer him arb? I really dont want to go down this road, rather have a defensive no hit SS and hope Lowrie can get healthy. I would be very hesitant to sign an aging Scutaro coming off a career year.
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eyse	with Vizquel and Gonzalez signed	#3	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 12 11/26/09 11:50 AM	It is Adam Everett or bust now.
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Yirmiyahu		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 621 11/26/09 12:04 PM Forum Moderator	So who's left? Marco Scutaro, Orlando Cabrera, and Adam Everett? With Yunel Escobar (+Lowe), Nick Punto, and Maicer Izturis possibly available? Anyone worth discussing that I'm missing?
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SeaDog19		#5	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 256 11/26/09 12:27 PM Veteran Member	I suggested Nick Punto in another thread. He's not an option for 162 games, but he would add depth and is redundant in Minnesota with J.J. Hardy in the fold. I guess I could warm up to Marco Scutaro for something like 2 years/$10 million. He's a solid defender, and has always been able to take a walk. The Sox could do a lot worse from their #9 hitter.
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mpaxisa		#6	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 123 11/26/09 12:38 PM	jdb wrote: mpaxisa wrote: Get ready to give up a draft pick and sign Scutaro for multiple years. Unfortunatly I think that might happen. What are the odds they dont offer him arb? I really dont want to go down this road, rather have a defensive no hit SS and hope Lowrie can get healthy. I would be very hesitant to sign an aging Scutaro coming off a career year. Of course they'll offer him arb. He's coming off a career year, so this is probably his last chance to get a long-term contract. It would be foolish of him to accept.
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adiospaydro2005		#7	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1538 11/26/09 12:59 PM Veteran Member	SeaDog19 wrote: I suggested Nick Punto in another thread. He's not an option for 162 games, but he would add depth and is redundant in Minnesota with J.J. Hardy in the fold. I guess I could warm up to Marco Scutaro for something like 2 years/$10 million. He's a solid defender, and has always been able to take a walk. The Sox could do a lot worse from their #9 hitter. No one is going to win a world championship with Punto as their starting shortstop. Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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DCRi		#8	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1188 11/26/09 2:26 PM Veteran Member	One has to think the Sox have a strategy in mind since they let Gonzalez get away with a deal they easily could have matched, or exceeded. Maybe it is Scutaro, although I'm with the contingent not terribly excited by that. I am a bit mystified that the Sox just didn't sign Gonzalez and focus their resources on other needs.
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mredsox89		#9	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 856 11/26/09 2:36 PM	Definitely a mistake on the Sox's part to not pick up his $6M option. But one has to believe they have had another plan ready to set in motion.
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jmei		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 78 11/26/09 2:38 PM Forum Moderator	Sox just didn't want to commit: According to one source, the Red Sox were prepared to offer Gonzalez a 1-year contract in the vicinity of $3 million, but the club wanted to first explore other options on the trade and free-agent markets. Rather than wait for the situation with Boston to resolve itself, Gonzalez opted to sign with the Bluejays for approximately $2.75 million. link
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ScottLevison		#11	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 75 11/26/09 3:34 PM	DCRi wrote: One has to think the Sox have a strategy in mind since they let Gonzalez get away with a deal they easily could have matched, or exceeded. Maybe it is Scutaro, although I'm with the contingent not terribly excited by that. I am a bit mystified that the Sox just didn't sign Gonzalez and focus their resources on other needs. Bingo! Gonzalez should have been re-signed. Well, Nomar is available...right?
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WillyCoPapi3		#12	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3946 11/26/09 3:56 PM Veteran Member	adiospaydro2005 wrote: No one is going to win a world championship with Punto as their starting shortstop. That has to be sarcasm, right? The Red Sox won the World Series with Julio Lugo as its shortstop. As long as the player isn't a detriment defensively, having a good SS isn't really a necessity these days. Why would we ever PH for Varitek? I mean, what if we PH for him, and it goes to extras, and vic martinez gets eaten by dinosaurs? We'd have to use the emergency catcher. -FenwayTheHardWay
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mredsox89		#13	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 858 11/26/09 5:17 PM	WillyCoPapi3 wrote: adiospaydro2005 wrote: No one is going to win a world championship with Punto as their starting shortstop. That has to be sarcasm, right? The Red Sox won the World Series with Julio Lugo as its shortstop. As long as the player isn't a detriment defensively, having a good SS isn't really a necessity these days. Even with a detriment at SS in Lugo the sox won. Scutaro would be a superior upgrade to Lugo at the SS position imo
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adiospaydro2005		#14	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1539 11/26/09 5:24 PM Veteran Member	WillyCoPapi3 wrote: adiospaydro2005 wrote: No one is going to win a world championship with Punto as their starting shortstop. That has to be sarcasm, right? The Red Sox won the World Series with Julio Lugo as its shortstop. As long as the player isn't a detriment defensively, having a good SS isn't really a necessity these days. Well, that team also had Manny so they could afford a hole in their lineup. The Red Sox made the 2009 playoffs partially as a result of the strong contributions, both offensively and defensively, by Gonzalez. Punto, Green, Hulett, et al might be nice bench players, but none of them are going to help the Red Sox make the 2010 playoffs if they are starters for more than 15-20 games. Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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Arquimedez Bozo		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8830 11/26/09 5:41 PM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	mredsox89 wrote: Definitely a mistake on the Sox's part to not pick up his $6M option. But one has to believe they have had another plan ready to set in motion. How do you figure? He got less than half of that. On no planet is Alex Gonzalez worth $6M, and apparently even he knows that. If you want to say it was a mistake not to just commit $3M to him now, then fine, we can agree to disagree there, but come on. "They should go to soxprospect so BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - legendary words from a legendary man "By the way I like the Canadian accent of Chris Hatfield" - the other Charlie Zink guy My Twitter / SoxProspects Twitter / SoxProspects on Facebook
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mredsox89		#16	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 859 11/26/09 5:51 PM	Arquimedez Bozo wrote: mredsox89 wrote: Definitely a mistake on the Sox's part to not pick up his $6M option. But one has to believe they have had another plan ready to set in motion. How do you figure? He got less than half of that. On no planet is Alex Gonzalez worth $6M, and apparently even he knows that. If you want to say it was a mistake not to just commit $3M to him now, then fine, we can agree to disagree there, but come on. Well I guess that is what I was getting at. I just read that the sox wouldn't even give $3 million. I base that it was a mistake because it will cost more for the alternative, and if it doesn't, it will be a step back. A $3M difference wouldn't be something that kept the sox from making a bigger move. And now they are probably going to have to spend at least $10M.
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FenwayTheHardWay		#17	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1659 11/26/09 6:44 PM Veteran Member	adiospaydro2005 wrote: No one is going to win a world championship with Punto as their starting shortstop. Dude, Nick Punto is a better player than Gonzalez. Punto: 18.1 UZR/150 in 1775.0 career innings at shortstop, .322 career OBP. Alex Gonzalez: 6.9 UZR/150 in 10320.0 career innings at SS, .294 career OBP Punto can also pick it at second or third, and would make a nifty utility infielder if Lowrie ends up healthy and productive. My point isn't that Punto is some kind of great player, my point is that replacing Gonzalez is not a big deal. Any glove will do. "Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the cheese."- Buck Martinez
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soxcentral		#18	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1041 11/26/09 7:45 PM Veteran Member	mpaxisa wrote: jdb wrote: mpaxisa wrote: Get ready to give up a draft pick and sign Scutaro for multiple years. Unfortunatly I think that might happen. What are the odds they dont offer him arb? I really dont want to go down this road, rather have a defensive no hit SS and hope Lowrie can get healthy. I would be very hesitant to sign an aging Scutaro coming off a career year. Of course they'll offer him arb. He's coming off a career year, so this is probably his last chance to get a long-term contract. It would be foolish of him to accept. I'd say there is at least a reasonable chance the Jays don't offer him arbitration now that they have Gonzalez. What if he gets the sense teams are going to shy away because of the combination of his age and draft pick compensation? He can accept arb and split time at SS, which would be an absolute nightmare for them from a payroll standpoint.
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Yirmiyahu		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 623 11/26/09 8:09 PM Forum Moderator	soxcentral wrote: I'd say there is at least a reasonable chance the Jays don't offer him arbitration now that they have Gonzalez. "Marco Scutaro will still be offered salary arbitration but initial indications are that there is a three-year contract awaiting him on the open market - so the Blue Jays will gladly take the compensatory picks." - Toronto Globe & Mail
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jdb		#20	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 290 11/26/09 8:09 PM	soxcentral wrote: I'd say there is at least a reasonable chance the Jays don't offer him arbitration now that they have Gonzalez. What if he gets the sense teams are going to shy away because of the combination of his age and draft pick compensation? He can accept arb and split time at SS, which would be an absolute nightmare for them from a payroll standpoint. Thats what I was trying to get at. The Jays just resigned McDonald as well. Can a team not looking to add payroll take the chance of other teams losing interest bc of the picks? He would probably get around 6-9 million.
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