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Ellsbury 46.niketalk		#41	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 44 11/25/09 5:51 PM	I would rather have a three way deal with detroit and an unknown team with boston getting Miguel Cabrera, we would give up Casey Kotchman, Clay Buchholz, Brock Huntzinger, Jed Lowrie, Mark Wagner, Yamaico Navarro and Michael Bowden we would get a few mid level prospects and Miguel Cabrera, Detroit gets Mark Wagner, Clay Buchholz, Yamaico Navarro Michael Bowden and prospects from the unknown team, the unknown team gets prospects from Detroit and Jed lowrie, Casey Kotchman the unknown team could be the Mets or a team like them with a need a 1B and utility player Last Edited By: Ellsbury 46 11/25/09 5:53 PM. Edited 1 time.
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kingstephanos		#42	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 6 11/25/09 6:03 PM	I think that the Santana Trade is a reasonable template from which the Red Sox could pose a trade to the Blue Jays. Both Santana and Halladay had made clear their desire to sign for big dollars elsewhere prior to a potential trade, both pitchers are Aces in their own right and both have had a history of excellence in the American League. The Twins did not received much more than 1 very good player for 1 year of Santana's services and the right to offer him a huge contract - negotiating rights are not worth very much in terms of sabermetrics. Carlos Gomez is a GG OF with a progressing bat, but the trio of Mulvey/Humber/Guerra that Minnosota received were never awe inspiring - and I believe Mulvey was recently waived. A 5 star prospect plus 2 to 3 B/B- level players is a good barometer for a potential Halladay trade proposal. Casey Kelly, a 5 star prospect, plus a good not great MLB ready player like Jed Lowrie (a potential super utility INF and possible Marco Scutaro replacement for Toronto in '10) and/or Michael Bowden, a 4th/5th Starter with plenty of years before arbitration could be intriguing for a rebuilding team like Toronto. Plus 2/3 out of a group like Navarro/Lin/Gibson could fill out the rest of the trade. Last Edited By: kingstephanos 11/25/09 6:10 PM. Edited 3 times.
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Nolson20		#43	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 330 11/25/09 6:07 PM	Ellsbury 46 wrote: I would rather have a three way deal with detroit and an unknown team with boston getting Miguel Cabrera, we would give up Casey Kotchman, Clay Buchholz, Brock Huntzinger, Jed Lowrie, Mark Wagner, Yamaico Navarro and Michael Bowden we would get a few mid level prospects and Miguel Cabrera, Detroit gets Mark Wagner, Clay Buchholz, Yamaico Navarro Michael Bowden and prospects from the unknown team, the unknown team gets prospects from Detroit and Jed lowrie, Casey Kotchman the unknown team could be the Mets or a team like them with a need a 1B and utility player I would rather have Halladay than Cabrera, I live in Michigan and this kid isn't mature enough for a big city like Boston.
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costpet		#44	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 87 11/25/09 6:29 PM	I would rather them forget Halliday and use their chips to get A. Gonzales and maybe H. Rameriz. Then sign Bay. Lineup: Ellsbury CF Pedroia 2B A. Gonzales 1B (for Clay and 5 minor leaguers not named Kelly) H. Rameriz SS (for 5 minor leaguers including Kelly) Youk 3B Martiniex C Bay LF Ortiz DH Drew RF
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buffs44444		#45	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1385 11/25/09 6:29 PM	Lots of good stuff from Callis in today's chat at espn.com. A small sample: Scott (Ontario) It seems like Kelly is a potential hold up in Halladay going to the Red Sox. Why would either side balk at a 20 year old in A ball with only 2 pitches. He plays so much SS we don't even know if he can endure 100 innings let alone 200. With Halladay you are getting an annual 220 inning guy Jim Callis Kelly is a three-pitch guy with tremendous feel for his age, so don't undersell him. But you are correct in saying that he's as unproven as Halladay is proven. I think the issue for any club is do you give up a lot of talented young players whom you can cost control for several years AND have to pay Halladay a ton of money in an extension to hold onto him. I don't think the Jays will get as much back for him as you might suspect. They should do better than the Twins did for Santana, but not a ton better. Kevin (NYC) Hi Jim- Love the chats. You stated that the Jays shouldn't do much better on a Roy trade than the Twins did with Johan. Unless I'm mistaken, the Twins received a plus defender in Gomez who had "upside" and a bunch of, at best, lower end rotation guys. I know Gomez is still young, but he still can't hit. Why would you expect the Jays to do only marginally better moving Roy? I know the $ for an extension limits the trade partners, but Roy is, well, Roy. Thx! Jim Callis Santana was, well, Santana. Halladay is a year from free agency, just like Santana, and he's not going to re-sign with his current club, just like Santana. As good as Halladay is, the Jays don't have a lot of leverage. There aren't many clubs who can afford Halladay and will be willing to give up a huge haul of prospects for him. Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push. Last Edited By: buffs44444 11/25/09 6:31 PM. Edited 1 time.
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WillyCoPapi3		#46	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3944 11/25/09 6:45 PM Veteran Member	costpet wrote: I would rather them forget Halliday and use their chips to get A. Gonzales and maybe H. Rameriz. Then sign Bay. Lineup: Ellsbury CF Pedroia 2B A. Gonzales 1B (for Clay and 5 minor leaguers not named Kelly) H. Rameriz SS (for 5 minor leaguers including Kelly) Youk 3B Martiniex C Bay LF Ortiz DH Drew RF 1. They don't have enough chips to get both those players in the same offseason. 2. Neither of those players are available until at least next year. 3. There's a forum for these types of proposals. Why would we ever PH for Varitek? I mean, what if we PH for him, and it goes to extras, and vic martinez gets eaten by dinosaurs? We'd have to use the emergency catcher. -FenwayTheHardWay
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terry180123		#47	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 105 11/25/09 6:45 PM	Carlos Gomez was traded to Brewers for Hardy. The Twins got fleeced on the Santana tade.
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Nolson20		#48	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 332 11/25/09 6:47 PM	WillyCoPapi3 wrote: 1. They don't have enough chips to get both those players in the same offseason. 2. Neither of those players are available until at least next year. 3. There's a forum for these types of proposals. And: 4. We aren't on an Xbox.
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joshv02		#49	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 212 11/25/09 6:50 PM	5. None have been in my kitchen.
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FenwayTheHardWay		#50	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1655 11/25/09 7:29 PM Veteran Member	terry180123 wrote: Carlos Gomez was traded to Brewers for Hardy. The Twins got fleeced on the Santana tade. Fleeced? Not really. One year of an ace and the rights to negotiate a massively expensive extension simply doesn't net you that much in prospects these days. Riccardi was canned in part because he cost the Jays at least one top-tier prospect by not dealing Halladay at the deadline. Trading for Halladay is a fundamentally different proposition than trading for Adrian Gonzalez or Hanley or whatever other pipe dream people are obsessed with this week. Specifically, it's a much more realistic proposition. Santana = Gomez + stuff Sabathia = LaPorta + stuff Halladay = Kelly + stuff "Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the cheese."- Buck Martinez
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terry180123		#51	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 106 11/25/09 7:38 PM	Now that I'm thinking about it you are right. The problem with Santana was that he was asking for a huge contract so the Twins had little choice but to trade him to Mets thinking that they will give him a big contract because they were desperate.
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FenwayTheHardWay		#52	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1656 11/25/09 7:42 PM Veteran Member	There's no way Halladay waives his no-trade without a huge extension. It's basically the exact same situation. "Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the cheese."- Buck Martinez
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terry180123		#53	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 107 11/25/09 7:50 PM	How many years is he expecting? More than 5?
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radiohix		#54	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 15 11/25/09 8:00 PM	If Theo is willing to move Buchholz and\or Kelly to get Halladay, I would prefer him to be talking to the Marlins and exploring a trade like: Buchholz+Lars for Josh Johnson; or Kelly+Kotchman for Ricky Nolasco Not a 33 years old pitcher with a lot of millage in his arm looking for a 5 years $100 millions contract.
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terry180123		#55	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 108 11/25/09 8:07 PM	It would take a lot more than Buchholz and Lars to trade for Johnson from the Marlins. i'm sure they will ask for at least 4 to 5 prospects.
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norbit14		#56	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2743 11/25/09 8:12 PM Veteran Member	terry180123 wrote: It would take a lot more than Buchholz and Lars to trade for Johnson from the Marlins. i'm sure they will ask for at least 4 to 5 prospects. Plus he is going to the Yankees no need to talk about it. Am Dominican and you??
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terry180123		#57	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 109 11/25/09 8:15 PM	I dont think he is going to the Yankees. The Marlins maybe cheap but they are not stupid.They will ask for the moon for this guy. Cashman likes to throw money to the players but he doesnt like to give up players.
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WillyCoPapi3		#58	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3945 11/25/09 8:25 PM Veteran Member	Haha, norb. Why would we ever PH for Varitek? I mean, what if we PH for him, and it goes to extras, and vic martinez gets eaten by dinosaurs? We'd have to use the emergency catcher. -FenwayTheHardWay
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amfox1		#59	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6350 11/25/09 8:25 PM Senior Forum Moderator	Keep in mind that this thread is not for random trade proposals or posters' personal preferences over Halladay. All posts in this thread of that nature from now on will be deleted. Sincerely, Your friendly neighborhood moderator
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jdb		#60	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 285 11/25/09 8:26 PM	Here is Olney in the ESPN rumors section. This was part of his email from an executive. http//insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors "In order for the Red Sox to trade for Halladay, they would almost certainly have to surrender Clay Buchholz and minor leaguer Casey Kelly. Buchholz has five seasons until he becomes a free agent, looks to be a very productive pitcher, and he might make $25 million over the next five seasons. Halladay will make $15 million next summer alone, and then be in line for an $60 million-$80 million type of deal as a free agent. And Kelly, like Austin Jackson, appears to have an excellent chance to have a high impact in the majors. In terms of cost-efficiency, it makes no sense for the Red Sox or the Yankees to pay a high double-barrelled cost in prospects and free-agent dollars to land Halladay.
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