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The Red Sox 2009-2010 Offseason Discussion Thread

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BringHanleyback2		#1001	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 229 11/20/09 2:35 PM	nickhanson29 wrote: Not that it's a huge deal.. but according to Uniwatchblog.com and the MLB.com shop, Ellsbury has changed his uniform number to 2. Thats too bad now my #46 Ellsbury shirt is useless, plus that number was suppose to be reserved for Hanley.
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ArodSucksAtLife		#1002	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3798 11/20/09 2:39 PM Veteran Member	BringHanleyback2 wrote: nickhanson29 wrote: Not that it's a huge deal.. but according to Uniwatchblog.com and the MLB.com shop, Ellsbury has changed his uniform number to 2. Thats too bad now my #46 Ellsbury shirt is useless, plus that number was suppose to be reserved for Hanley. Got one on the 12th. I rule. I am in love with Clayton Kershaw. I want him in me. - Curll84
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Sibby Sisti		#1003	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 305 11/20/09 3:08 PM	BringHanleyback2 wrote: nickhanson29 wrote: Not that it's a huge deal.. but according to Uniwatchblog.com and the MLB.com shop, Ellsbury has changed his uniform number to 2. Thats too bad now my #46 Ellsbury shirt is useless, plus that number was suppose to be reserved for Hanley. Maybe they plan on including him in the Hanley trade.
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TokenWilliams		#1004	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 525 11/20/09 3:09 PM	Don't worry Jacoby will be going to Florida in any deal for Hanley. Plus now that the Sox have Iglesia they don't need Hanley.
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SexyBanana		#1005	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1365 11/20/09 3:26 PM John Gray Lead Staff Writer SoxProspects.com	Jacoby is not going anywhere That is all
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cemprae		#1006	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 3 11/20/09 3:47 PM	More about improved defense and being a better road team... I suggested earlier that by replacing Lowell with Beltre or Kouzmanoff that the Sox would be a better team in 2010... and by a better team I mean it's very "possible-probable" that they'd win more games... Jason Bay W.A.R. 06 - 5.5 07 - 0.1 (his bat disappeared) 08 - 2.4 (Pittsburgh - Boston) 09 - 3.5 Adrian Beltre W.A.R. 06 - 4.6 07 - 3.0 08 - 4.1 09 - 2.4 (injured) 4 years in Seattle which is a graveyard for RH power Theo will be looking at those numbers and wondering... "Hmmm... I wonder how much more offense Beltre would create if HE was playing in Fenway?... and although Jason was not one of our offensive problems on the road... he more than likely was more of a defensive liability there"... Here's the numbers for Kouzmanoff Kevin Kouzmanoff W.A.R. (2007 rookie so no 06 data) 07 - 2.6 08 - 2.6 09 - 2.7 (In San Diego... another RH graveyard) "Hmmm... I wonder what Kooz's numbers would be at Fenway?... The numbers say that it's "probable" that Beltre would directly contribute more wins than Bay... and it's also probable that Kooz out of Petco might do the same... One thing is certain... The defense would be much better... and in turn SHOULD also make the pitching better.... Seattle won 85 games last year... They had the best defense in the major leagues... They also had the best pitching in the AL... Here's some interesting numbers... I'm not really trying to cherry pick anything to support my thoughts... I just found Seattle's season, and the way some of their numbers ended up to be interesting... Numbers of starts from the top 5 in the rotation plus innings pitched Boston 32 - 212.10 32 - 203.10 24 - 131.20 21 - 129.20 16 - 92.00 125 total starts Seattle 34 - 238.20 20 - 133.00 15 - 96.10 15 - 91.20 12 - 83.10 87 total starts Of course Seattle had Felix but Washburn was their number two guy... Can you imagine the Sox winning 85 games if that was all we got out of our top five guys???... Yeah... but we had Smotlz... and Penny... and Dice-K and they were terrible... True... and they had Silva... and French... and Jakubaukus, and they were all terrible too!!!They used 12 starters in 09... we used 11... I'm suggesting that no matter who was on the mound for Seattle... they had the best defense in the MAJORS behind them and it was the defense more than anything else that gave Seattle the best E.R.A. in the AL... One ball not gotten to at the wrong time can cause the flood gates to open... knock a pitcher out of the game... and burns up the bullpen... which in turn carries over to the next game... and a 162 game season is a grind!!! Pitching and defense wins championships... and I believe that defense helps pitching MUCH more than pitching helps defense... and in close games... even more so... How about this amazing number... Seattle won 85 games while scoring the lowest number of runs in the AL!!! (640)... and gave up 52 runs more than they scored (692)... The Royals scored the next lowest amount but it wasn't really close (686)... The only two teams in all of baseball that scored fewer runs than the M's were... the Padres (638) and the Pirates (636)... Four runs separated the bottom three teams in the major leagues... Hmmm... "Yeah... but the Sox played in the AL east so the 85 wins is not such a big deal"... I'm suggesting that it is a big deal for this reason... The M's Pads and Pirates all scored the same amount of runs (a difference of 4)... and the Pads and the Pirates played in weaker divisions than the AL West... So it's probable-possible to assume that we can replace the amount of wins that Jason Bay brings to the team... for much less $$$... and no clogging up the future roster... PLUS get two draft picks by letting Bay walk... What about Lowell??? Mike Lowell W.A.R. 06 - 3.4 07 - 5.3 08 - 3.2 09 - 1.2 If Bay doesn't return... and assuming that Holliday isn't signed... We need a LF who can produce MORE than Lowell... even if we say it's probable to get MORE wins replacing Bay with a defensive 3rd baseman... lets add to the probability by replacing Lowell with a better LF'er...(ideas?... besides Dye-Byrd) Of course all of this is speculation... but not at all unreasonable... I'll close by asking this question... What do you think it would take to get a deal done for Kouzmanoff?... Would Reddick and a lower level pitcher get it done???
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buffs44444		#1007	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1348 11/20/09 7:53 PM	The next ex-Marlin? Agent Matt Sosnick told ESPN.com that negotiations between the Marlins and Josh Johnson have reached an "impasse," and Johnson expects to play under a one-year deal in 2010. Johnson will be eligible for free agency after the 2011 season, and a failure to reach agreement on a multiyear contract would probably force the Marlins to explore a trade before then. Based on our conversations, there's no chance of doing a long-term deal with the Marlins," Sosnick said. "We made it clear that it was going to be this year or it wasn't going to happen. It was now or never. And the Marlins agreed." Johnson, 25, is regarded as one of Major League Baseball's elite young starters. He posted a 15-5 record with a 3.23 ERA this year, struck out 191 batters in 209 innings and made his first career All-Star team. Johnson and his agents used Zack Greinke's four-year, $38 million contract with the Kansas City Royals as a framework in contract discussions. Sosnick said talks broke down when the Marlins declined to offer more than a three-year deal -- which would buy out only one year of free agency for Johnson. Sosnick declined to discuss any differences over money in negotiations. "It seems to me that based on his age and performance, Josh falls into that group of two or three starting pitchers out there whose next contract could very well exceed $100 million," Sosnick said. Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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buffs44444		#1008	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1349 11/20/09 7:56 PM	jdb wrote: K Laws top 50 FA are up also. Linked but insider. One name caught my eye. Noel Arguelles who defected with Chapman. He came in at No. 10 on Laws list. http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove09/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=4647444 Arguelles is 19 and already pitches with a solid-average fastball, although before he defected he had worked as high as 91-94 and will probably return there once he's throwing on a regular schedule again. His changeup projects better than his curveball, with the change a potentially plus pitch. What everyone notices about Arguelles is his body -- loose, lean, athletic, with good projection; If he was an American high school or junior college player, he'd be a solid first-rounder with a chance to be a top-10 guy and would probably be a $4 million bonus baby. As a free agent, he should easily double that. Edit: Arguelles info Interesting that we haven't heard a lot on Arguelles recently. Back in June, BP also had this on him: Arguelles is considered a better prospect than Iglesias, as a left hander standing 6'3, tipping the scales at 210 lbs., and hitting 93 mph with his fastball. Arguelles has a solid curveball, changeup, and command, along with a recently-added slider that some scouts say has quickly become his best off-speed pitch. Some scouts saw him sitting at 88 mph recently and said Arguelles was out of shape, but other clubs have recently watched him hit 91 mph and say his body isn't a big concern. Every team I've spoken with is comfortable with his talent, given his consistent international performances. Executives agree that Arguelles would have been a late first rounder or sandwich pick in the recent draft, if he entered the draft rather than become a free agent. Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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SoxSail		#1009	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 352 11/20/09 8:29 PM	Wanted to post this in the random thoughts thread, but I guess that is gone. Anyway, color me disappointed with Gordon Edes as the new guy covering the RS on ESPNBoston. He is already showing his ignorance, claiming that signing Scutaro would cost the Sox two draft picks. I was probably irrationally hoping that they would wise up and hire someone from this site. I guess I'll just keep coming here. Keep up the good work everyone.
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buffs44444		#1010	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1350 11/20/09 8:47 PM	Gammons: John Lackey is the top pitcher on the market, but he hates Fenway. Alrighty then, that takes care of that...... Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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Guidas		#1011	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 84 11/20/09 9:42 PM	buffs44444 wrote: The next ex-Marlin? Agent Matt Sosnick told ESPN.com that negotiations between the Marlins and Josh Johnson have reached an "impasse," and Johnson expects to play under a one-year deal in 2010. Johnson will be eligible for free agency after the 2011 season, and a failure to reach agreement on a multiyear contract would probably force the Marlins to explore a trade before then. I'll take Johnson or Halladay - whoever takes fewer prospects. Though if it's Halladay I want the extension as part of the deal. Johnson, I think you pitch him for a year and see how that arm holds up before you give him $100 mil.
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jdb		#1012	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 270 11/20/09 10:44 PM	buffs44444 wrote: Gammons: John Lackey is the top pitcher on the market, but he hates Fenway. Alrighty then, that takes care of that...... I cant link it bc I heard it on the radio but one of the espn talking heads was talking about that before the playoffs. Said he hates Boston and Yanks. I bet he would play for either if they were the highest bidder.
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jdb		#1013	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 271 11/20/09 10:48 PM	Guidas wrote: I'll take Johnson or Halladay - whoever takes fewer prospects. Though if it's Halladay I want the extension as part of the deal. Johnson, I think you pitch him for a year and see how that arm holds up before you give him $100 mil. I seem to think Johnson will cost more. He is cheap right now for a few years and come spring training will only be 26. It would be a hard decision for me. I would lean towards getting a proven thing for Halladay and try to extend him for 4 years at 20 per. I think he will age pretty well.
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Yirmiyahu		#1014	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 612 11/20/09 10:56 PM	Speaking of future ex-Marlins, Gammons mentions/proposes a Cody Ross for Manny Delcarmen trade. Ross would be a perfect 4th outfielder for Boston, as he pounds lefties, plays a good right field (UZR/150 of 2.2), and can play a decent centerfield (UZR/150 of -0.1). I had figured that the Marlins wouldn't trade away their entire outfield, but I'd like to be wrong.
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buffs44444		#1015	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1351 11/20/09 11:25 PM	CBC.ca The opening of the baseball free-agent season this week has also sparked talk of a possible Roy Halladay trade. Potential suitors for the Toronto Blue Jays ace pitcher have started lining up, with the Chicago Cubs making their intentions known on Friday. The National League club is one team Blue Jays brass has contacted, MLB.com reported on Friday. SI.com has reported the World Series champion New York Yankees are interested in trading for Halladay, who is friends with Yankees starter and former Blue Jay A.J. Burnett. Anthopoulos's wish list in a trade for Halladay likely would include a young mid-rotation starting pitcher, a top pitching prospect, a possible major league shortstop and an outfield prospect. Given that information..... Possible Yankee fit: Hughes, Brackman(?), Austin Jackson (no SS fit, possible alternative trade chip: Jesus Montero) Possible Cubs fit: Randy Wells, Andrew Cashner, Starlin Castro, (no OF fit, possible alternative trade chip: Vitters) Possible LAD fit: Chad Billingsley, McDonald, Hu, Lambo (multiple arb. eligible young Dodgers could also be included) Possible BOS fit: Bowden, Kelly, Lowrie, Reddick Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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cemprae		#1016	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 4 11/21/09 3:40 AM	Marlins cant come to terms with Josh Johnson If Josh is indeed available... He does (imo) become the cream of the crop as far as pitching is concerned this winter... Now you can't leave out another Marlin who's name has been kicked around recently... Dan Uggla... NESN had an article a few days ago about the Sox interest in moving Uggla to LF in case Bay couldn't be re-signed (link)... The Orioles and Giants have also shown interest in acquiring him to play 3rd base... and Uggla probably IS going somewhere this winter... The Sox and Marlins???... seems to be a good relationship between the two teams wouldn't you say?... It's probably a lock that the Sox are kicking this possibility around... This would seem to be a very possible blockbuster but don't think for a minute that the Sox would be the only team in this mix!!!! This package won't come cheap (but much more realistic than Gonzalez/Cabrera) and you can bet the farm that the Yankees will DEFINITELY be in on this one... along with more than a few other teams. Johnson/Uggla is the perfect solution to this year and beyond... Two young players who fill needs... One a masher the other an ace... Uggla says he doesn't want to move from 2B but that's probably not a problem... Here's another reason why I think this fits... Unlike the A-Gon/Votto/Cabrera debates... The Marlins want prospects rather than ML ready talent... Given the fact that our own Josh is becoming a FA next year (unless an extension is worked out... DOUBTFUL)... This could end up being a seamless "changing of the guard" in two positions... and getting MUCH younger while doing it... PLUS for 2010, you could argue that it's the equivalent of re-signing Bay and adding Doc Halladay!!! giving us a legitimate shot at another title...
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TomRicardo		#1017	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 41 11/21/09 7:20 AM	buffs44444 wrote: CBC.ca The opening of the baseball free-agent season this week has also sparked talk of a possible Roy Halladay trade. Potential suitors for the Toronto Blue Jays ace pitcher have started lining up, with the Chicago Cubs making their intentions known on Friday. The National League club is one team Blue Jays brass has contacted, MLB.com reported on Friday. SI.com has reported the World Series champion New York Yankees are interested in trading for Halladay, who is friends with Yankees starter and former Blue Jay A.J. Burnett. Anthopoulos's wish list in a trade for Halladay likely would include a young mid-rotation starting pitcher, a top pitching prospect, a possible major league shortstop and an outfield prospect. Given that information..... Possible Yankee fit: Hughes, Brackman(?), Austin Jackson (no SS fit, possible alternative trade chip: Jesus Montero) Brackman probably shouldn't even be considered a prospect at this point. He is going to be 24 going into next season, pitched terrible in Low A ball, and only has two more option years left. On the flip side, there is about zero chance the Yankees are trading Montero.
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jdb		#1018	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 273 11/21/09 8:22 AM	I tend to think that the Marlins would ask for Buch. They arent too far off in the east and Buch cant have arb for two more seasons, right? Last night I thought Halladay but the more I think about it I dont think the Jays would trade within the East with other suitors, so Johnson makes sense. I would rather start a package with Kelly than Westy but its not my call.
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jspearlj1		#1019	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 4952 11/21/09 8:50 AM	jdb wrote: I cant link it bc I heard it on the radio but one of the espn talking heads was talking about that before the playoffs. Said he hates Boston and Yanks. I bet he would play for either if they were the highest bidder. Has anyone ever heard Lackey like anybody or anything? The guy constantly throws his own teammates and manager under the bus. Under those demands the sox lineup really well, but that's way too much to give up when you compare it to the Santana deal in similar circumstances. I think the BJays ask for that but have to take back a little less. A lowrie/Bowden/Kelly/Lin deal might be more fitting, but in the end if there are more teams involved than with Santana it will end up costing more. Lowrie at this point still obviously has upside but seems relegated for a super sub role until healthy, which is available in the FA market. Bowden is redundant with Halladay coming in as well as Tazawa around, Lin and Kelly are high talents to pay, but you are getting back a top 5 (AL East) proven pitcher in return. I think the Dodgers are the best fit because of Billingsley's availability, however, there are the money questions floating around about the mccourts.
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Nexus		#1020	[url]	[-]
Posts: 322 11/21/09 9:20 AM Forum Moderator	Heyman (twitter): the #redsox may stay in touch with jason bay, but competing execs believe theyre looking at hard at alternatives now
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