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Posts: 7181 11/17/09 9:59 PM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	Tags : None Look for the Red Sox to make a few roster moves on Friday to protect players from selection in the 2009 Rule 5 Draft. Per the Major League Rules, eligible players must be added to their teams' respective 40-man rosters by close-of-business on November 20 in order to be protected from selection in the Rule 5 Draft, which is scheduled to take place on December 10. As of today, our sources and calculations indicate that the following players in the Boston system will be eligible to be selected if they are not added to the 40-man roster on or before November 20: Juan Apodaca, Anatanaer Batista, Travis Beazley, Bubba Bell, Ronald Bermudez, Randor Bierd, Jason Blackey, Zach Borowiak, Cesar Cabral, Yeiper Castillo, Chih-Hsien Chiang, Robert Coello, Bryce Cox, Zach Daeges, Sean Danielson, Mitch Dening, Andrew Dobies, Reid Engel, Roberto Feliz, Kyle Fernandes, Kason Gabbard, Miguel Gonzalez, Matt Goodson, Tommy Hottovy, Jorge Jimenez, Kris Johnson, Mike Jones, Ryan Khoury, TJ Large, Will Latimer, Ryne Lawson, Richie Lentz, Leandro Marin, Miguel Marquez, Blake Maxwell, Jeff Natale, Yamaico Navarro, John Otness, Josh Papelbon, Pedro Perez, Chad Rhoades, Jason Rice, Reynaldo Rodriguez, Jon Still, Felix Ventura, Armando Zerpa http://news.soxprospects.com/2009/11/40-man-roster-deadline-looming.html Who will be added to the 40-man roster on Friday? Discuss.
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Posts: 7183 11/17/09 10:02 PM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	Richie Lentz got hit hard tonight. 1.2 IP, 4 ER, 3 H, 1 BB, 3 K, 2 HR
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Sibby Sisti		#2	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 291 11/17/09 10:07 PM	Reynaldo Rodriguez is interesting, only because the Sox just recently scooped him up from the Independent Golden League. I understand that he had prior service time with NY(AL), but it seems odd that the Sox could lose him, considering KC had made a late attempt to sign him and its claim was rejected by MLB. Perhaps no other team will claim him in the Rule 5 knowing it must keep him for the entire year (like Miguel Gonzalez).
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Lithuanian Soxfan		#3	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 11 11/17/09 10:18 PM	You have to believe the Red Sox wouldn't want to leave Navarro exposed. There are a few others I would feel a 'twinge' of regret if I saw their names called (Zerpa, Engel, Dening), but Navarro would be the only one that would leave me cursing ...
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flap1919		#4	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3039 11/17/09 10:52 PM	Navarro's a no brainer, no one else on that list is potentially good enough for a team to keep in the majors for next year, so I could care less about the rest of them, it's just a whole lot of nothing with an occasional bullpen depth or 6th OF thrown in.
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tdrowe		#5	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1165 11/17/09 10:55 PM	I really think Lentz is very likely to be claimed in the draft if left unprotected, and for that reason, the Sox may protect him, even given his recent hardship / upper-level inconsistency. The Sox have 5 25-man spots to fill, with 8 40-man spots to fill. The Sox may have to fill 6 spots if Hermida is optioned (not probable). Of course, Kotchman or Lowell will have to be moved, which will open up a spot down the road, but may not be applicable to rule 5 protection. If they want to leave a spot open for a rule 5 pick for their roster (or DL as we saw last year), I'd say 3 players get selected at the most. Navarro will, Daeges will, and Lentz will (my projections). It is entirely possible we see someone pluck-and-return Zerpa or Johnson, and someone may select Miguel Gonzalez, as a rehab project. It wouldn't really hurt the system unless Daeges or Lentz is left unprotected and then claimed. Most of you would probably argue the damage done is negligible, and I'd mostly agree.
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SoxSail		#6	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 334 11/18/09 1:43 PM	I'd be surprised to see Daeges protected and not Jimenez. Daeges has less value than he did last year, and is neither ready for the majors, nor does he have great upside. If he'd been around all season, then yes, but the way it is, doesn't seem likely that he's selected.
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Veteran Member Posts: 1417 11/18/09 3:58 PM	I don't think Daeges will be protected or selected. We were all worried last season about Bell being selected, but he wasn't and he's a much better defender and baserunner with comparable offensive skills. Lentz is tricky, he throws hard, but not upper 90s hard. Teams generally take the hard throwing (albeit stalled) starter to convert him to a reliever. Every team out there has a (few) hard throwing reliever that can't find the strike zone sitting at various levels of their organization. They might protect him just to see how he does next year, but if they don't there's probably a <10% chance he's selected. I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head. ... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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ThSneak		#8	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 184 11/18/09 4:16 PM	The only two guys I would protect are Navarro and maybe Jimenez. Maybe there's a 40 man spot to burn and Lentz gets protected too, but I just don't think he has shown enough to warrant protection, though I do see someone taking a chance and drafting him. Daegas on the other hand, I can't really see anyone taking.
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Arquimedez Bozo		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8788 11/18/09 6:04 PM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	I think Lentz's selection to pitch in the AFL shows the Sox are at least considering protecting him. He's got 16 K's to 3 BB's and a 1.04 WHIP in 15.1 IP in the AFL - I'd actually put it 80/20 that they add him. Note, before you cite his awful 2009 stats, that for some reason his velocity was down much of the year. He went on the DL for an extended period and came back at his normal velocity I believe. The Sox did seem to keep him in Lowell for longer than was necessary, but perhaps that was to hide him from potential Rule 5 suitors. "They should go to soxprospect so BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - legendary words from a legendary man "By the way I like the Canadian accent of Chris Hatfield" - the other Charlie Zink guy My Twitter / SoxProspects Twitter / SoxProspects on Facebook
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David Laurila		#10	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 961 11/18/09 7:26 PM Veteran Member	Arquimedez Bozo wrote: Note, before you cite his awful 2009 stats, that for some reason his velocity was down much of the year. I don't believe that velocity was the big issue. Lentz basically saw his command disappear and he had trouble getting it back. It wasn't exactly Steve Blass syndrome, but he did get way out of sync for awhile.
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Cem21		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2477 11/18/09 9:04 PM Chris Mellen Director of Scouting SoxProspects.com	Lentz had a dip in his velocity after the first time he came back from the DL. He was down to 89-90 and couldn't find the plate with anything prior to going on the DL for the second time. I saw him back in May and he topped at 92 in the outing, along with having terrible command of his fastball. Aiming the ball and all over the place with his delivery. It was obvious that something wasn't right because his fastball had little life/velocity/command and he hit the DL shortly after that. The beginning of his arm problems last year stemmed from sleeping on his shoulder the wrong way during the first week of the season and he couldn't get it loose. It was a tough luck season for Lentz pretty much. When he came back and was healthy at the end of July, he was back up to 95-96 MPH along with a 80-82 MPH slider. I saw him throw with Lowell right before he went back to Portland and his fastball had a lot of life to it. His slider is about an average pitch, but he can snap off a good one when its 82ish with short, tight break. I think there's enough there to protect him and give him a shot to throw with the big club in ST.
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Veteran Member Posts: 966 11/19/09 1:10 AM	ThSneak wrote: The only two guys I would protect are Navarro and maybe Jimenez. Maybe there's a 40 man spot to burn and Lentz gets protected too, but I just don't think he has shown enough to warrant protection, though I do see someone taking a chance and drafting him. Daegas on the other hand, I can't really see anyone taking. Daeges had a really good spring last year before he got hurt, suggesting that he can hit MLB pitchers. Don't know that I would necessarily protect him if I'm the Sox FO, but there's definitely a chance that someone takes a look at him, especially if they can stash him on the DL to start the season.
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WillyCoPapi3		#13	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3931 11/19/09 2:15 AM Veteran Member	Aside from Navarro (duh), and possibly Lentz and Jiminez, the only other guy I can see the Sox considering protecting is Johnson. As much of a disappointment as he's been as a 1st rounder (not just because of who was taken after him), he still looks like someone who could at least provide good bullpen depth. I don't think there's a chance that Daeges is protected. While he looks like he will be able to hit enough to have some sort of major league career provided he can stay healthy (I can see him having an Eric Hinske/Matt Stairs-type career as a 25th man PHer), he has no position and sounds like as bad or worse a defender as Chris Carter. I would be far more inclined to protect a guy like Lentz, or even Johnson. Why would we ever PH for Varitek? I mean, what if we PH for him, and it goes to extras, and vic martinez gets eaten by dinosaurs? We'd have to use the emergency catcher. -FenwayTheHardWay
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buffs44444		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1339 11/19/09 2:23 AM	WillyCoPapi3 wrote: Aside from Navarro (duh), and possibly Lentz and Jiminez, the only other guy I can see the Sox considering protecting is Johnson. As much of a disappointment as he's been as a 1st rounder (not just because of who was taken after him), he still looks like someone who could at least provide good bullpen depth. Completely agree with this. Would like to at least try him as a reliever before risking him finding his way with another organization. Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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DCRi		#15	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1179 11/20/09 11:02 AM Veteran Member	Any news on this front? By my count there are only 31 players on the 40-man roster now so the Sox can protect a number of players, should they so choose.
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DesignatedForAssignment		#16	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 728 11/20/09 11:48 AM	DCR, we cannot forget that if a player is protected from Rule 5 unnecessarily, the risk of losing him occurs when the team is forced to remove him from the 40-man at some point in the coming years. So if that risk is greater than the risk of losing him in Rule 5, common sense would dictate that he not go on the 40-man, even if there is plenty of room now. Additionally, starting the process of burning option years is also a drawback. Bottom line is Sox have some method they use to calculate the likelihood of losing a particular player, and anyone they truly want to protect, they have the luxury of doing so.
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amfox1		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6337 11/20/09 1:24 PM Senior Forum Moderator	Here are the 40-man moves announced: Angels purchased the contract of OF Peter Bourjos. Astros purchased the contracts of Evan Englebrook, Matt Nevarez and Henry Villar. Athletics purchased the contracts of Chris Carter, Faustino De Los Santos, Pedro Figueroa and Justin Souza. Blue Jays purchased the contract of RHP Reidier Gonzalez. Braves purchased the contracts of LHPs Lee Hyde, Jose Ortegano and Jonny Venters and RHPs Jeff Lyman and Kyle Coffield. Brewers purchased the contracts of OF Lorenzo Cain and RHP Amaury Rivas. Cardinals purchased the contracts of OF Allen Craig, OF Jon Jay, OF Daryl Jones, C Bryan Anderson, 1B Mark Hamilton, RHP Adam Ottavino, RHP Francisco Samuel and LHP Tyler Norrick. Cubs purchased the contracts of James Adduci, Wellington Castillo, Rafael Dolis, Blake Parker and John Gaub. Diamondbacks purchased the contracts of OF Cole Gillespie, RHPs Roque Mercedes and Daniel Stange and LHP Jordan Norberto. Dodgers purchased the contracts of SS Ivan DeJesus Jr, OF Trayvon Robinson, RHP Luis Guerra and RHP Kenley Jansen. Giants purchased the contracts of OFs Darren Ford and Francisco Peguero, RHP Kevin Pucetas and 1B Brett Pill. Indians purchased the contracts of 1B Jordan Brown, OF Nick Weglarz, INF Jason Donald, RHP Jeanmar Gomez, LHP Kelvin De La Cruz, 3B Wes Hodges and SS Carlos Rivero. Mariners purchased the contracts of OF Ezequiel Carrera, RHPs Anthony Varvaro, Danny Cortes, Ricky Orta, J.C. Ramirez and LHP Edward Paredes and outrighted IF Josh Wilson. Marlins purchased the contracts of RHP Jose Ceda, RHP Jay Buente, RHP Brett Sinkbeil, RHP Kris Harvey and OF Scott Cousins. Nationals purchased the contracts of LHP Aaron Thompson, RHP Juan Jaime, and LHP Atahualpa Severino. Orioles purchased the contracts of 3B Josh Bell, RHP Brandon Erbe, 1B Brandon Snyder, SS Pedro Florimon Jr., 1B Rhyne Hughes and RHP Luis Lebron, claimed C Craig Tatum off waivers from the Reds and DFA'd LHP Chris Waters. Padres purchased the contracts of LHP Steve Garrison, RHP Craig Italiano and OF Chad Huffman. Phillies purchased the contracts of OF Quintin Berry, LHP Yohan Flande and RHP Jesus Sanchez. Pirates purchased the contracts of RHP Brad Lincoln, RHP Ramon Augero, RHP Bryan Morris and OF Gorkys Hernandez, claimed RHP Chris Jakubauskas off waivers from the Mariners and DFA'd RHP Jeff Karstens, LHP Justin Thomas and C Robinzon Diaz. Rangers purchased the contracts of LHP Zach Phillips and LHP Michael Kirkman. Rays purchased the contracts of OF Desmond Jennings, RHP Jeremy Hellickson and LHP Alex Torres. Red Sox claimed RHP Robert Manuel off waivers from the Mariners. Reds purchased the contracts of OF Chris Heisey, IF Chris Valaika, RHPs Enerio Del Rosario, Logan Ondrusek, Jordan Smith and LHPs Phillippe Valiquette and Travis Wood and outrighted RHP Daryl Thompson. Rockies purchased the contracts of RHPs Alberto Alburquerque, Edgmer Escalona, Juan Nicasio and Chaz Roe and C Michael McKenry. Royals purchased the contracts of INF Jeff Bianchi, OF Jordan Parraz, OF Jarrod Dyson, C Manny Pina and RHP Blake Wood, outrighted Devon Lowery and Doug Waechter, DFA'd infielder Tug Hulett and waived RHP Julio Cesar Pimentel. Tigers purchased the contracts of 2B Scott Sizemore, SS Audy Ciriaco, 1B/OF Ryan Strieby and OF Brennan Boesch. Twins purchased the contracts of INFs Danny Valencia and Estarlin De Los Santos, and RHPs Deolis Guerra, Alex Burnett, Loek Van Mil and Rob Delaney and outrighted 3B Deibenson Romero. White Sox purchased the contracts of RHPs Brandon Hynick, Brian Omogrosso, Sergio Santos, Santo Luis, and OF Stefan Gartrell. Yankees purchased the contracts of OF Austin Jackson, INFs Reegie Corona, Eduardo Nunez, Kevin Russo and RHPs Hector Noesi, Ivan Nova and Romulo Sanchez and outrighted OF Shelley Duncan (expected to reject outright and become a FA). Last Edited By: amfox1 11/21/09 9:34 AM. Edited 7 times.
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soxprospects		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7192 11/20/09 9:18 PM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	The deadline for setting teams' 40-man rosters is at midnight Friday. The Sox aren't expected to make any more additions before the deadline. http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2009/11/20/red-sox-claim-former-mariners-pitcher/ Wow. Nobody? I've seen this from multiple sources. Interesting.
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SoxSail		#19	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 353 11/20/09 9:36 PM	Off the top of my head, Arizona, Baltimore, Houston, KC, Oakland, Pittsburgh, Toronto and Washington all need Short Stops, and most could wait a year or two for him to develop. Several of them also need 3B in case they're worried that's what he'll become. Say goodbye to Yamaicco. Wouldn't be surprised to see Lentz go, but that's not nearly as big a blow. I'll very saddened by this news should it work out the way I fear it will. If he were available from another team, I think I'd want the Sox to grab him to back up the middle infield. It's not like we wouldn't have a long term injury replacement in Lowrie just in case. Last Edited By: SoxSail 11/20/09 9:39 PM. Edited 1 time.
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Arquimedez Bozo		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8797 11/20/09 9:59 PM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	SoxSail wrote: Off the top of my head, Arizona, Baltimore, Houston, KC, Oakland, Pittsburgh, Toronto and Washington all need Short Stops, and most could wait a year or two for him to develop. By "wait a year or two", you mean "have him clog up a 25-man roster spot for a year and not develop, then go down to the minors"? I'm surprised, but I guess the thinking is that the current state of the SS situation (Acquisition, Lowrie, and now Iglesias are all ahead of him on the depth chart), they didn't want to add him to the 40-man, only to have to remove him midseason and expose him then. Let's not forget - he was pretty awful at the plate in AA. Perhaps the Sox think either/a combination of a) that will scare teams off or b) that performance made them a bit more comfortable with a possible Rule 5 claim. (Again, I don't necessarily believe this, but just trying to figure out their reasoning). I guess the other thing to remember is the seeming "loads of space" on the 40-man. Manuel brings them to 32, but there will likely be acquisitions of: a 1B/3B, LF, SS, SP, and a couple of RP. So, theoretically, you've got 38 spots taken, so with only two free ones, apparently they didn't think Navarro was worth one. "They should go to soxprospect so BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - legendary words from a legendary man "By the way I like the Canadian accent of Chris Hatfield" - the other Charlie Zink guy My Twitter / SoxProspects Twitter / SoxProspects on Facebook
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