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FenwayTheHardWay		#261	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1632 11/13/09 1:02 AM Veteran Member	Duffman545 wrote: I never said it was poor, I'm simply sying maybe people should temper their fervor over him a tad. He's playing well, yes. I'm excited about his skill set, yes. However he is not tearing the cover off the ball, which is what one might think having read this thread. I'm not talking about his defense, just the fact that people are enamored with his bat which I don't think is fair. What Greek is saying is that the "people" in question don't really exist. I'm inclined to agree with him, I don't think anyone in this thread is claiming that he's been tearing the cover off the ball, or is otherwise overly enamored with his bat. Perhaps you could provide actual examples from within the thread to support your claims. "Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the cheese."- Buck Martinez
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Norm in Oregon		#262	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 995 11/13/09 1:05 AM Veteran Member	Kalish and Exposito with similar lines: 1/4 w/BB, R. Iglesias was 2/4 w/2B. At this point he's at .286/.344/.446 by my reckoning. He's still not at .800 OPS and it's a very small sample, but this is his very first exposure to any sort of professional pitching in the U.S. so I'm not complaining. I thought Kevin Goldstein, in his BP review of the Red Sox' top 11 prospects, offered a somewhat different take on the hitting skills he's shown so far: Offensively, he does have some bat speed, and scouts see a good rhythm in his swing, and he's even surprised some with occasional power. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. ~ Frederick Douglass
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Duffman545		#263	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1159 11/13/09 3:01 AM	FenwayTheHardWay wrote: What Greek is saying is that the "people" in question don't really exist. I'm inclined to agree with him, I don't think anyone in this thread is claiming that he's been tearing the cover off the ball, or is otherwise overly enamored with his bat. Perhaps you could provide actual examples from within the thread to support your claims. Someone needs to sit down with Iglesias and have a serious talk with him. He needs to be reminded that he can't hit and that he's only 19 years old. It's that desert air again... I understand it's a little tongue in cheek, but still. He's just come from Cuba, his first competitive baseball in the US and he's putting up 750 OPS while wowing many poeple with his glove at SS and you think this is poor? This is 6th best at SS in the AFL and 3 2B also have higher. He's holding his own offensively with AA+ players while playing SS as well as hoped. I'm delighted Like I said, I'm very happy to see him doing well, but like you said he's the 9th best hitting middle infielder in a six team league. Is it nice to see him having success at the plate? Absolutely, but he's merely getting by.
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ctsports		#264	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 11 11/13/09 3:35 AM	He's 19 and playing well in a league that's centered on well-regarded AA prospects (with some A+ and some AAA). I'm sure the organization is very pleased with his performance so far.
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TheGoldenGreek33		#265	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3280 11/13/09 2:49 PM Veteran Member	Neither of those posts suggest he's tearing the cover off the ball, Duffman. He's at a .790 OPS as a 19 YO playing against 21-23 YO's. People are going to be excited over that fact because all we heard when they signed him was that he can't hit. Nobody is suggesting a .790 OPS is tearing the cover off the ball. He is, in fact, holding his own in the AFL, and that's what people are going to think by reading this thread.
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amfox1		#266	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6333 11/13/09 3:53 PM Senior Forum Moderator	Duffman545 wrote: Like I said, I'm very happy to see him doing well, but like you said he's the 9th best hitting middle infielder in a six team league. Is it nice to see him having success at the plate? Absolutely, but he's merely getting by. Middle infielders in AFL (by age and OPS, qualified players only): 22 and under: Starlin Castro (age 19/A+/AA) - 899 OPS Jose Iglesias (age 19/NA) - 791 OPS Ruben Tejada (age 20/AA) - 675 OPS Marcus Lemon (age 21/AA) - 970 OPS Carlos Rivero (age 21/AA) - 875 OPS Hector Gomez (age 21/A+) - 778 OPS Shawn O'Malley (age 21/A+) - 776 OPS Danny Espinosa (age 22/A+) - 813 OPS Brandon Crawford (age 22/A+/AA) - 793 OPS Jemile Weeks (age 22/A+/AA) - 764 OPS 23 and over: Brad Emaus (age 23/AA) - 783 OPS P.J. Phillips (age 23/A+) - 712 OPS Jeff Bianchi (age 23/A+/AA) - 681 OPS Jose Vallejo (age 23/AA/AAA) - 669 OPS Daniel Descalso (age 23/AA/AAA) - 611 OPS Zack Cozart (age 24/AA) - 953 OPS Brandon Hicks (age 24/AA) - 779 OPS Lance Zawadzki (age 24/A+/AA) - 744 OPS C.J. Retherford (age 24/AA) - 730 OPS Pedro Ciriaco (age 24/AA) - 709 OPS Steve Singleton (age 24/A+/AA) - 703 OPS (Note does not include Carlos Triunfel (age 19/AA) who does not have enough PAs to be qualified) Played in Rising Stars game
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BLumbergh		#267	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 378 11/13/09 4:12 PM Veteran Member	Jim Callis on Kelly from his AFL post: No one other than members of the Kelly family thinks he'll hit enough to be a major league shortstop. He looks like he can field the position, but he's simply not going to hit enough.
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Norm in Oregon		#268	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 998 11/13/09 5:14 PM Veteran Member	Two more hits for Iglesias today, and two for Kalish as well. There is a Gameday page available from MLB's AFL site. Edit: Spelling Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. ~ Frederick Douglass
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Sibby Sisti		#269	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 278 11/14/09 12:21 PM	As we approach the end of the AFL season, Jose is quietly adding to his BA, now at .295.
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Sibby Sisti		#270	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 281 11/15/09 12:52 AM	Expo two for five today as Sox beat Javelinas, 4-2. He's hitting .295 so far in the AFL. Richardson with a hitless/2K inning in the 8th.
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mredsox89		#271	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 822 11/15/09 2:49 AM	BLumbergh wrote: Jim Callis on Kelly from his AFL post: No one other than members of the Kelly family thinks he'll hit enough to be a major league shortstop. He looks like he can field the position, but he's simply not going to hit enough. Well hopefully everyone just comes to the realization and he decides to be a pitcher. The problem is that no matter what, that "want" to be an everyday player will be over his head for his entire career
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raftsox		#272	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1409 11/16/09 9:41 AM	mredsox89 wrote: Well hopefully everyone just comes to the realization and he decides to be a pitcher. The problem is that no matter what, that "want" to be an everyday player will be over his head for his ~~entire career~~ first season as a full-time pitcher. Fixed. I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head. ... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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amfox1		#273	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6334 11/16/09 3:56 PM Senior Forum Moderator	It is Red Sox day in the AFL. Lineup ##6-9 Kelly, 3B (698 OPS) Kalish, LF (779 OPS) Exposito, C (750 OPS) Iglesias, SS (808 OPS) Bierd is pitching.
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mredsox89		#274	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 828 11/16/09 6:44 PM	raftsox wrote: mredsox89 wrote: Well hopefully everyone just comes to the realization and he decides to be a pitcher. The problem is that no matter what, that "want" to be an everyday player will be over his head for his ~~entire career~~ first season as a full-time pitcher. Fixed. If he truly believes he can be a major league SS, it will always be in the back of his mind, especially if he ever struggles. Just like any decision anyone makes, if something doesn't work perfectly, you wonder how things would have been different with a different choice. Now it may not effect him on the field, there is no way of every proving that.
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left coast bosox fan		#275	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3440 11/16/09 7:36 PM Veteran Member	mredsox89 wrote: raftsox wrote: mredsox89 wrote: Well hopefully everyone just comes to the realization and he decides to be a pitcher. The problem is that no matter what, that "want" to be an everyday player will be over his head for his ~~entire career~~ first season as a full-time pitcher. Fixed. If he truly believes he can be a major league SS, it will always be in the back of his mind, especially if he ever struggles. Just like any decision anyone makes, if something doesn't work perfectly, you wonder how things would have been different with a different choice. Now it may not effect him on the field, there is no way of every proving that. Such a major cross to bear. Almost beyond comprehension. He'll die a lonely old man. "According to Elias, Wang's ERA of 21.60 as a starter is the worst ERA for the first 5 starts in the history of baseball." ... YES Network 6/11/2009
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JohnnyMac		#276	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 1 11/16/09 8:45 PM	Expo: 2-3, 2B Kalish: 1-4, 2B Kelly: 0-4, 2 K Iglesias: 0-4, K Bierd: 3.2 IP, 7 H, 4 ER, 4 K/2 BB, 4 GO/2 AO
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FenwayTheHardWay		#277	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1636 11/16/09 9:34 PM Veteran Member	In regards to Kelly and the pitcher/shortstop decision: I'm sure we all had a perfectly realistic and rational idea of what we'd be doing for the rest of our lives at age 20. Right? "Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the cheese."- Buck Martinez
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PasadenaSox		#278	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2158 11/16/09 11:35 PM Dan Hanson Staff Writer SoxProspects.com	Welcome aboard, JohnnyMac. I've long thought the site needed more John Locke fans. Just Say No to Lugo.
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SoxSail		#279	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 324 11/17/09 4:27 AM	From Jason Grey's Blog: Ryan Kalish, Boston Red Sox: Kalish does a little bit of everything on the field and understands the strike zone well. While some scouts view him as a bit of a tweener, he does have the potential to be a starting outfielder in the big leagues. I have a feeling that being a tweener on the Red Sox in a couple of years isn't going to be an issue. They're likely to have three guys in the OF who can run, throw, and hit for some power, so both the defense and offensive burdens will be shared more evenly.
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J51		#280	[url]	[-]
Posts: 205 11/17/09 8:01 PM Jim Crowell Staff Writer SoxProspects.com	Video of Exposito: http://www.vimeo.com/7663381 Video of Kelly: http://www.vimeo.com/7664191
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