Gibson is going to be the next Brian Roberts. He has 15-20 HR potential, some guys take a while to develope it. Who would have though Pedoria would hit more
than 10 in a season.
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Posts: 959 11/12/09 7:02 PM Veteran Member |
As we all know, Bowden's 4-6 record is very deceptive due to lack of run support. It is also quite clear that the majority of us [and that certainly
includes KG] are aware that W/L record is relatively meaningless. That said, what if Bowden's record in his 24 Pawtucket starts, with all other numbers
being the same, would have been 16-4? Does he rate higher on this list, and on most everyone else's? My guess is that he does, possibly by as many as
three slots.
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Posts: 9018 11/12/09 7:07 PM
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amfox1 wrote:I think it's accurate to say that KG is a tools heavy prospect evaluator.
aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he
can golden glove field in his sleep.
tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong. |
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Posts: 3278 11/12/09 7:07 PM Veteran Member |
With all due respect, Mr. Laurila, are you suggesting it's Bowden's lack of wins and not his average secondary pitches/lack of fastball command
that's keeping him from being ranked higher?
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Posts: 9019 11/12/09 7:09 PM
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David Laurila wrote:Does anybody even look at W/L to begin with? Maybe some do, but I think my brain trained my eyes long ago to not even look at those columns.
aminahyaquin: Alou is a 37 year old 7 time MVP with a .347 lifetime batting average and a world of hustle. he
can golden glove field in his sleep.
tGG: Alou is actually 42, has never won an MVP, has a .303 lifetime batting average, and is mediocre at best in the field. joshv02: But, other than that, you're wrong. |
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Posts: 300 11/12/09 7:20 PM |
templeUsox wrote: Perfect World Projection: Westmoreland could be the kind of player people thought Grady Sizemore would become. Well, dang. I didn't realize Sizemore's age 22-27 seasons were less than satisfactory based on expectations. I guess we're talking Griffey-90's Mariners-perennial-10+ WAR-uber-superstar-potential here if he stays in CF. |
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Posts: 1629 11/12/09 7:30 PM Veteran Member |
amfox1 wrote: That's true, but on the other hand, Tazawa and Bowden are already halfway graduated to the majors. They're on the depth chart right now. It wouldn't be any kind of shock for either one of the to pitch a considerable number of innings for the MLB club next year, and they're both quite likely to have some kind of major league career. That makes up for a lot of the upside that they lack. With Lars, you don't have that level of confidence that he'll be a major leaguer. He could improve his hitting considerably and still wind up as Jeff Bailey. Also, regarding the "well, he had a bad back" thing, shouldn't a 21 year old NOT have a bad back? Don't back problems tend to be chronic things? Isn't that a concern in and of itself?
"Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the
cheese."- Buck Martinez
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Nexus wrote: That's pretty much how he termed Westy in last year's review: Perfect World Projection: He'll be a five-tool superstar.Safe to say that the reviews KG has received on Westy have been off the charts. Hopefully Ryan keeps progressing along this path.
Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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Posts: 960 11/12/09 8:10 PM Veteran Member |
TheGoldenGreek33 wrote:I probably shouldn't have offered my premise/suggestion relative to KG's list, as he'd be far less prone to such influences than others, but I do think it has some merit. As I said, W/L records are mostly meaningless, however, for better or for worse, I believe they do have some influence on rankings. Bowden was obviously ranked much higher last year, and my premise is that you're less likely to move a player down that many slots if he goes 16-4. I'm not saying that you shouldn't, I'm saying that you're less likely. On a related note, suppose Kalish had a notably better BABIP this season and his Portland BA was .320. Given that the gap between he and Reddick was likely not very big, does Kalish maybe grab the 3 slot and Reddick 4? With KG doing the rankings, perhaps not, but it makes the scenario more likely, does it not? Essentially, my theory is that stats like BA and W/L -- stats that we accept to be far less important than the casual fan believes them to be -- do influence perception, and perception influences rankings. Again, I'm not saying they should, but to some degree I believe they do. |
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I don't know DL. BA maybe, but I don't think most people even look at W/L record for minor leaguers. I personally had no idea what Bowden's W/L
record was before this conversation.
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Posts: 3435 11/13/09 5:47 AM Veteran Member |
Ranking a player with less than a year's short season experience as the number 1 prospect is mind boggling. Give KG credit for big ones.
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Posts: 410 11/13/09 7:03 AM |
Hairps wrote: Do the four more (#12-15) also classify as three star prospects or are they just an honorable mention? |
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Posts: 584 11/13/09 8:29 AM Veteran Member |
From the BP chat: |
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Posts: 585 11/13/09 8:32 AM Veteran Member |
Scouts really love Westy and KG believes in them.
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Posts: 662 11/13/09 8:40 AM Veteran Member |
CMF16 wrote:I actually took the "4 more" just as interesting players that he wanted to comment on, rather than as further rankings. Edit: although maybe after reading the chat excerpt I'm wrong about that...
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock" - Pedro, explaining his secret ambition to Sports
Illustrated for Kids.
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Posts: 411 11/13/09 9:54 AM |
I noticed that Lin is listed as a LF. That has to be a typo, right?
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I would have placed Anderson 5th or 6th on the list. Probably 5th. To be honest, he had a bad season and didn't look very good in the process. There
were some back issues in May, but besides spending some time at DH when the intial news was reported he didn't miss much time or spend a day on the DL
because of it. Given how the organization treats things and "errs on the side of caution" to quote Francona, if things were really bad with the back
you'd think they would have given him some time off if it was effecting things greatly. That's always been curious to me.
The 7 or so times I saw Anderson over the course of the season he looked off. Caught inbetween pitches, missing hittable pitches, rolling over balls, etc. He didn't really square much up in the ABs I saw. But, given all of that I don't think he's slipped behind Bowden and Tazawa. I can see arguments for Iglesias and Rizzo, but I'd still put him ahead of at least Iglesias and a lot of what has been mentioned as developmental needs for Rizzo was the same things mentioned surrounding Anderson at the same point in development. I know KG does a lot of legwork on this with scouts, officials and first hands so I'm not knocking his list. That's really just my take on things from what I have seen. |
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Posts: 73 11/13/09 12:28 PM |
Not in any way denigrating a #2 or #3 starter, but if that really is the top end of Kelly's projection then I more for trading him in a package for a legit
current 1-2 starter who may be available (i.e. Roy Halladay (if he can be signed to an extension as part of the deal), Josh Johnson, etc (although I still
think King Felix is staying in Seattle for now) than I was this summer when the hype machine had him as a #1. And if Westmoreland really is all that than he
becomes the untouchable unless you're getting Hanley Ramirez, Joey Votto or Ryan Braun coming back.
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Cem21 wrote: Me, too, on the injury front. I would have Anderson behind Rizzo for two main reasons - (1) age-relative-to-level and (2) defense. Rizzo could be a Teixeira-like player (top-tier two-way player). I see Anderson as more of a Delgado (bearable defense, good offense, high OBP). You could move Iglesias up or down a spot, but my argument for Iglesias would be that he is a guaranteed 10-12 year major leaguer based on defense alone. If he learns to hit even adequately and steal bases, people could eventually mention him with Omar Vizquel/Ozzie Smith. (Obviously, aspirational but he'll play for years even if he never hits - see Wilson, Jack and Clayton, Royce) Imagine if he were on this past year's team. |
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Posts: 6330 11/13/09 1:14 PM
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Guidas wrote:To me, Kelly is the ultimate "sell high" candidate in a trade for a legit 1-2 starter. The question to me is - can you get Halladay/Gonzalez/etc. with Kelly, Reddick and a B-level arm, because I'm not trading Buchholz. |
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