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left coast bosox fan		#221	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3416 11/08/09 7:12 PM Veteran Member	I'm actually wondering if the thought might be that development at the MLB level while backing up Lowrie. I have yet to see any negative criticism of his defensive abilities and based on those tools alone, he could be a major leaguer. He could get a hell of a lot of AB's (albeit not game action) over the winter. At minimum, it's a backup plan in case they don't make a major move for a SS that could be moved to 3B later like Hanley or pick up one like AGon at a discount. "According to Elias, Wang's ERA of 21.60 as a starter is the worst ERA for the first 5 starts in the history of baseball." ... YES Network 6/11/2009
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Arquimedez Bozo		#222	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8768 11/08/09 7:20 PM Chris Hatfield Executive Editor SoxProspects.com	left coast bosox fan wrote: I'm actually wondering if the thought might be that development at the MLB level while backing up Lowrie. I have yet to see any negative criticism of his defensive abilities and based on those tools alone, he could be a major leaguer. He could get a hell of a lot of AB's (albeit not game action) over the winter. At minimum, it's a backup plan in case they don't make a major move for a SS that could be moved to 3B later like Hanley or pick up one like AGon at a discount. If the Red Sox want Iglesias to be their starting SS someday, this doesn't make any sense. As has been said in each blog post I've read about the Sox declining his option, as well as constantly on this board until it happened, declining the $6M option was pretty much a given. There's a pretty significant chance that Gonzalez returns for less money. "They should go to soxprospect so BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - legendary words from a legendary man "By the way I like the Canadian accent of Chris Hatfield" - the other Charlie Zink guy My Twitter / SoxProspects Twitter / SoxProspects on Facebook
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left coast bosox fan		#223	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3418 11/08/09 7:32 PM Veteran Member	"or pick up one like AGon at a discount." Also, under the assumption that 'someday' means 2011, keep in mind that by 2011, he'll have had 2 falls, 2 winters, 2 springs and a year of limited ML exposure all with Sox coaching. ADD: (Sorry about the string post) If you go back several seasons and look at the top shortstop UZR's, you will find that in varies a lot and averages somewhere in the magnitude of 27 or 28. If you consider Lowrie to be an average shortstop, 27 or 28 will have a significant effect on pythag, especially in a backup situational role. "According to Elias, Wang's ERA of 21.60 as a starter is the worst ERA for the first 5 starts in the history of baseball." ... YES Network 6/11/2009 Last Edited By: left coast bosox fan 11/08/09 7:46 PM. Edited 2 times.
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left coast bosox fan		#224	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3419 11/08/09 8:10 PM Veteran Member	Situation, it's 7th or later and the Sox have a 1 or 2 run lead (happens a lot). Who do you want as your infield, Lowrie SS - Lowell 3B or Lowrie 3B - Iglesias SS ? "According to Elias, Wang's ERA of 21.60 as a starter is the worst ERA for the first 5 starts in the history of baseball." ... YES Network 6/11/2009
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TheGoldenGreek33		#225	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3252 11/08/09 8:18 PM Veteran Member	left coast bosox fan wrote: Situation, it's 7th or later and the Sox have a 1 or 2 run lead (happens a lot). Who do you want as your infield, Lowrie SS - Lowell 3B or Lowrie 3B - Iglesias SS ? In three years, Iglesias - 6, Lowrie - 5. I would prefer it if we gave the 19 year old a chance to improve against age-appropriate pitching instead of throwing a 19 year old in the fire of pitchers 5-10 years his age. Seriously, the Sox didn't give him a $6M bonus to be a utility infielder. Last Edited By: TheGoldenGreek33 11/08/09 8:26 PM. Edited 1 time.
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left coast bosox fan		#226	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3420 11/08/09 8:39 PM Veteran Member	I absolutely don't think the Sox gave him an $8.25m contract to be a utility player. I question whether the net return to the Sox after 2011 with a year's minor league at bats is greater than the return from having him be a major league situational utility player in 2010. I'm not sure how you meant fire. In the usual sense that word would imply pressure situations. Keep in mind that the man left his country behind him to take a chance. That's real pressure. If you are referring to the quality of pitches he will see, how much is he going to improve seeing pitches with less quality ? We have a very unique situation here, he has an impact glove that is major league ready. "According to Elias, Wang's ERA of 21.60 as a starter is the worst ERA for the first 5 starts in the history of baseball." ... YES Network 6/11/2009
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TheGoldenGreek33		#227	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3254 11/08/09 8:57 PM Veteran Member	left coast bosox fan wrote: I absolutely don't think the Sox gave him an $8.25m contract to be a utility player. I question whether the net return to the Sox after 2011 with a year's minor league at bats is greater than the return from having him be a major league situational utility player in 2010. I'm not sure how you meant fire. In the usual sense that word would imply pressure situations. Keep in mind that the man left his country behind him to take a chance. That's real pressure. If you are referring to the quality of pitches he will see, how much is he going to improve seeing pitches with less quality ? Your first point is an interesting one. I don't necessarily agree with it because I think the Sox feel he has the potential to develop into at least an average hitter, or else they wouldn't gave given him that kind of bonus. Again, he's 19 years old. You have to at least give him a chance to improve as a hitter. If in three years he isn't showing much improvement, you still have a very good 23 year old sit-utility player on your hands. Secondly, those "less quality" pitchers you talk about happen to be his true talent level. This isn't like Jeremy Hermida hitting against IL pitching.
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tdrowe		#228	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1142 11/09/09 12:16 AM	It will be interesting to see where the Sox start him, for sure. I'd imagine your Salem projection is pretty accurate, but we know the Sox will push him, and maybe even start him at AA, if they're confident he can succeed there as early as next spring (obviously he doesn't seem to be there, given his performance in the AFL). That said, from the limited amount I've seen and heard about him, it doesn't seem like A+ will be pushing him that hard, really.
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TheGoldenGreek33		#229	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3256 11/09/09 12:59 AM Veteran Member	Courtesy of the man that brings you Project Prospect. The moment you've all been waiting for: My God...
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Soxfn24		#230	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 2026 11/09/09 1:10 AM	Oh my.
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TheGoldenGreek33		#231	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3257 11/09/09 1:13 AM Veteran Member	He's Argenis Diaz without the mental lapses.
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left coast bosox fan		#232	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3421 11/09/09 3:49 AM Veteran Member	Youk is going to have to get to 1B a hell of a lot faster than he's used to. The moves between fielding and set were so fast and so automatic that he made Castro look human like. "According to Elias, Wang's ERA of 21.60 as a starter is the worst ERA for the first 5 starts in the history of baseball." ... YES Network 6/11/2009
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left coast bosox fan		#233	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3422 11/09/09 4:08 AM Veteran Member	TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: He's Argenis Diaz without the mental lapses. I've never seen Diaz but I'm going to take a wild guess that this is two different animals. I seriously doubt if Diaz' hands were that fast. Looking at his body type, I'm guessing that he's not going to be the rangiest SS in baseball but judging by hand speed I'd guess that his out conversion rate will be off the charts. "According to Elias, Wang's ERA of 21.60 as a starter is the worst ERA for the first 5 starts in the history of baseball." ... YES Network 6/11/2009
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TheGoldenGreek33		#234	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3260 11/09/09 4:53 AM Veteran Member	Seeing Argenis at the complex in both 2008 and 2009, and watching Iglesias take ground balls on that video, they are very similar. Maybe Cem can share his thoughts on this as well, but Diaz remains the most gifted defensive shortstop I've seen live from the minor league level. From his footwork before fielding the ball to his fluidity in his actions, just outstanding. I stand by my original comment. As far as looking at Iglesias' body type to determine whether or not he'll have plus range, I think that's a bit unfair, IMO. No, Iglesias isn't a burner, but there have been multiple live reports saying he has plus instincts and described him as more quick than fast. Combine that with great footwork, and I think that's more than enough evidence to say he has plus, or even plus-plus range. Last Edited By: TheGoldenGreek33 11/09/09 4:55 AM. Edited 1 time.
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left coast bosox fan		#235	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3423 11/09/09 6:16 AM Veteran Member	Fair enough, I'll take your opinion since as I said I haven't seen Agenis. If Iglesias' feet are as fast as his hands, that would almost be too much to ask for. I haven't seen any reports which highlighted range, only hands and the hands part is very clear. "According to Elias, Wang's ERA of 21.60 as a starter is the worst ERA for the first 5 starts in the history of baseball." ... YES Network 6/11/2009
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buffs44444		#236	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1281 11/09/09 8:47 AM	TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: Courtesy of the man that brings you Project Prospect. The moment you've all been waiting for: Excellent stuff, thanks Greek! Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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Sibby Sisti		#237	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 271 11/09/09 1:06 PM	Sox must have high hopes...assigning Sammy White's number. Lot of pressure on the kid.
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BoydHurstLoveChild		#238	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 358 11/09/09 4:05 PM	Can't wait for Jose Iglesias' Brighton Bowl!
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left coast bosox fan		#239	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3427 11/10/09 6:06 AM Veteran Member	BoydHurstLoveChild wrote: Can't wait for Jose Iglesias' Brighton Bowl! I got that from 15,000 miles away. Pat's self on the back. Near the rotary. "According to Elias, Wang's ERA of 21.60 as a starter is the worst ERA for the first 5 starts in the history of baseball." ... YES Network 6/11/2009
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FAN		#240	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 71 11/10/09 9:26 AM	I watched Iglesias every day he was at The Fort, believe me, he has plus-plus range, and he is a great kid who loves the game, 120% all the time.
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