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Trade Rater: Hermida for Jones/Alvarez

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Posts: 7142 11/08/09 8:02 PM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	Tags : None With the off-season just a day old, the Red Sox were quick to strike a deal. According to Peter Abraham of Boston.com, the Red Sox will send left-handed pitchers Hunter Jones and Jose Alvarez (pictured) to the Florida Marlins in exchange for outfielder Jeremy Hermida. A first-round pick by the Marlins in 2002, Hermida hit .259/.348/.392 in 429 at-bats in 2009, including 14 doubles, 13 home runs, and 57 RBI. A veteran of five Major League seasons, the 25-year-old left-handed hitter owns a career line of .265/.344/.425 with 57 home runs in 1708 at-bats with Florida. Hermida, who is under team control for 2010 and 2011, avoided arbitration last season by agreeing to a one-year, $2.75 million deal. Jones, who came to the Red Sox as an undrafted free agent following the 2005 MLB draft, split time this season between Pawtucket and Boston, putting up a 9.24 in 12.2 innings of Major League work. The 25-year-old left-hander pitched to a 4-3 record with a 4.25 ERA and 39 in 53.0 Triple-A innings. Alvarez, meanwhile, enjoyed an All-Star season for the Lowell Spinners, going 8-3 with a 1.52 ERA in 83.0 innings, striking out 63 against only 10 walks. His 8 wins set a Lowell franchise record, while his 1.52 ERA led the New York-Penn League. He also got into 12 games for High-A Salem, posting a 4.74 ERA in 24.2 innings. A native of Venezuela signed by the Red Sox as an international free agent in 2005, the 20-year-old Alvarez has a career record of 23-15 with a 3.21 ERA in four seasons in the Red Sox organization. Rate this trade: (Total Votes: 118) - Closed A - Great move: I love it. (67 / 56.8%) B - Good move: If I were in charge, I would have done the same, but I see some downside. (40 / 33.9%) C - Fair move: I'm indifferent. (9 / 7.6%) D - Bad move: I wouldn't have made this move, but it's not the end of the world. (2 / 1.7%) F - Terrible move: This is going to cause problems for the Sox going forward. (0 / 0%)
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TheGoldenGreek33		#1	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3253 11/08/09 8:25 PM Veteran Member	B. You can't dislike the move because the package sent wasn't much, but it'll be tough for him to breakout in either Pawtucket, where he'd be hitting against mediocre pitching, or Boston, where he'd see irregular time off the bench.
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DonCaballero		#2	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 377 11/08/09 8:33 PM	A. We didn't give much up, and we got some potential in return.
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Jrou8809		#3	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 38 11/08/09 9:01 PM	A. We gave up nothing, but a single A pitcher with no upside, and a future lefty specialist at best. And we got potentially our starting LF or atleast a lefty outfield bat off the bench with good upside.
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chavopepe2		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1143 11/08/09 9:11 PM Senior Forum Moderator	A. Assuming that the complete lack of downside equates to an A - then this deal deserves and A. I don't see any downside at all. This deal isn't likely to save the team or to instantly improve the club, but it was an absolute no brainer to make this move.
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Haddock Field		#5	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 171 11/08/09 10:05 PM	Agree with the other As. The salary is trivial to the Sox and the players surrendered were unlikely to have a future with the team, so there's no downside. I think Hermida still has plenty of upside.
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TheGoldenGreek33		#6	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3255 11/08/09 10:25 PM Veteran Member	Let me clarify. I voted for 'B' the grade, not the 'B' reasoning in the poll. Of course there's no downside, and of course he has upside. The Sox are still in a pickle with determining how to maximize his true potential, and for that reason, I give it a 'B'. Assuming the Sox sign one of Bay/Holliday, this deal would be like the Yankees trading for Alex Gordon. It's nice and all, but what exactly are you going to do with him if he breaks out? I guess you could spin the new and improved Hermida off for a good prospect. In that case, I might considering giving this an 'A'.
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yankshater213		#7	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 59 11/08/09 10:50 PM	I voted A for the deal. Jones wasn't fitting here and we still have a bunch of bullpen depth, and I admittedly know nothing about Alvarez. But I feel like Hermida could be a great 4th OF, and he's still young so he could even potentially turn into a starter if he can continue to develop. Not sure how Hermida is in the field, but I think if he can curb his strikeouts he can definitely be a very nice piece off the bench this year, and hopefully more in the future.
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ArodSucksAtLife		#8	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3780 11/08/09 11:04 PM Veteran Member	TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: Let me clarify. I voted for 'B' the grade, not the 'B' reasoning in the poll. Of course there's no downside, and of course he has upside. The Sox are still in a pickle with determining how to maximize his true potential, and for that reason, I give it a 'B'. I was just going to make the point that voting B here is completely ridiculous if you go by 'If I were in charge, I would have done the same, but I see some downside' I am in love with Clayton Kershaw. I want him in me. - Curll84
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jsinger121		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15548 11/08/09 11:15 PM Jonathan Singer Digital Correspondent SoxProspects.com	I gave it an A. They gave up players that no one should lose any sleep over and got back in return a 4th OF who is young and still has some upside who may or may not put it together for something greater than a 4th OF in a new environment. Twitter: @Jonathan_Singer/@Soxprospects
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tdrowe		#10	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1141 11/09/09 12:05 AM	Very limited downside. It's not exactly highway robbery, but I don't see much of a way it could turn out bad. Solid move for next season, with the higher upside of the trade coming our way. A.
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SoxSail		#11	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 310 11/09/09 12:07 AM	ArodSucksAtLife wrote: TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: Let me clarify. I voted for 'B' the grade, not the 'B' reasoning in the poll. Of course there's no downside, and of course he has upside. The Sox are still in a pickle with determining how to maximize his true potential, and for that reason, I give it a 'B'. I was just going to make the point that voting B here is completely ridiculous if you go by 'If I were in charge, I would have done the same, but I see some downside' I suppose there's a remote possibility that Alvarez or Jones could become a useful MLB piece. That could be considered downside I guess.
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Norm in Oregon		#12	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 988 11/09/09 12:18 AM Veteran Member	Good trade in that it did not require much player value to get him on the team. He's always had tremendous upside, with decent power and very good patience. But there is a downside: Hermida may continue on his current trajectory, with an average drifting around the .250-260 mark and an OPS of less than .800. That's not acceptable for a corner outfielder. Even if he doesn't pan out it's certainly worth the gamble so I gave it a B. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. ~ Frederick Douglass
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FenwayTheHardWay		#13	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1623 11/09/09 12:34 AM Veteran Member	A. Zero reason not to make this trade. "Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the cheese."- Buck Martinez
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ArodSucksAtLife		#14	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3782 11/09/09 12:41 AM Veteran Member	SoxSail wrote: ArodSucksAtLife wrote: TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: Let me clarify. I voted for 'B' the grade, not the 'B' reasoning in the poll. Of course there's no downside, and of course he has upside. The Sox are still in a pickle with determining how to maximize his true potential, and for that reason, I give it a 'B'. I was just going to make the point that voting B here is completely ridiculous if you go by 'If I were in charge, I would have done the same, but I see some downside' I suppose there's a remote possibility that Alvarez or Jones could become a useful MLB piece. That could be considered downside I guess. You can't '"see" some downside', you can make a blind assumption that anyone young player may turn into a stud. Nobody is on the Jose Alvarez bandwagon You have to be have a huge amount of faith in Hunter Jones' ML career. You trade Hunter Jones' RP stats for Hermida all day everyday, nobody sees a downside here. You either 'Love it' or are 'indifferent' I am in love with Clayton Kershaw. I want him in me. - Curll84
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soxprospects		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7145 11/09/09 11:33 AM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	nobody sees a downside here. You either 'Love it' or are 'indifferent' Except for the 30 people who voted B.
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MLBDreams		#16	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 553 11/09/09 12:02 PM	How does you expect him as career .266 NL hitter to become very good AL hitter (acceptable .285 or better)? Batting coach, Dave Magadan, didn't have magic wand to make the Red Sox better road hitting team, either. Some players have off year due to indifferent home/road split stats. I'm okay if he's our 4th OF, not future LF starter (if Bay/Holliday signs with different teams). I give them low B-.
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jsinger121		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15549 11/09/09 12:14 PM Jonathan Singer Digital Correspondent SoxProspects.com	MLBDreams wrote: How does you expect him as career .266 NL hitter to become very good AL hitter (acceptable .285 or better)? Batting coach, Dave Magadan, didn't have magic wand to make the Red Sox better road hitting team, either. Some players have off year due to indifferent home/road split stats. I'm okay if he's our 4th OF, not future LF starter (if Bay/Holliday signs with different teams). I give them low B-. Maybe because he is going to play half his games in a an offensive driven park instead of a pitchers park in Florida. Twitter: @Jonathan_Singer/@Soxprospects
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Yirmiyahu		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 582 11/09/09 1:16 PM Forum Moderator	soxprospects wrote: nobody sees a downside here. You either 'Love it' or are 'indifferent' Except for the 30 people who voted B. Well, I voted 'B', even though I like the move a lot. Like TGG, I just don't think he'll get enough of a chance in Boston to make an impact.
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soxprospects		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7147 11/09/09 1:59 PM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	Yirmiyahu wrote: soxprospects wrote: nobody sees a downside here. You either 'Love it' or are 'indifferent' Except for the 30 people who voted B. Well, I voted 'B', even though I like the move a lot. Like TGG, I just don't think he'll get enough of a chance in Boston to make an impact. I voted B for the same reason.
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SeaSox		#20	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 56 11/09/09 6:53 PM	TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: Let me clarify. I voted for 'B' the grade, not the 'B' reasoning in the poll. Of course there's no downside, and of course he has upside. The Sox are still in a pickle with determining how to maximize his true potential, and for that reason, I give it a 'B'. From it's elemental parts, I would have easily voted the trade an A. For it's elemental parts, I would have easily voted the trade an, "A." Yet from am impact stand point (like above), I'm in the, "B," camp. Edit: Redundant "Even if Austin Maddox killed two hookers last night, I still would have drafted him by now." Lightning Show Last Edited By: SeaSox 11/09/09 8:04 PM. Edited 1 time.
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