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Red Sox acquire Jeremy Hermida for Hunter Jones and Jose Alvarez

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SoxSail		#81	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 295 11/06/09 1:03 PM	That's great sleuthing, and great new Yimri. Essentially the Sox are trying to fill in their lack of top end Minor League positional prowess. He could very well start 2010 in Pawtucket.
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badfishnbc		#82	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 7 11/06/09 3:34 PM	raftsox wrote: badfishnbc wrote: I think Hermida's age means you can treat him like a top prospect on the depth chart, and opens up another of the top guys to be flipped in a blockbuster trade. Theo's going to go hard after one of several guys: LaPorta, Gamel, Felix, or Adrian Gonzalez. Those are young, build-around players that this team needs, and Hermida is a classic complementary piece with good upside potential. badfish, were those players completely random? LaPorta isn't going to be traded, and I question how much Theo values him. We could have gone hard after him when we drafted him; his stock hasn't changed a bit since then. I've heard Gamel is available, but he's not a 3B on a club that just announced their defense was terrible. The others have been discussed ad nosaeum(sp?). All names that have been cited in various media reports over the past 4 months of players that the FO value and covet, especially those young corner bats. Gamel and LaPorta are said (by Gammons, Olney, etc. - no links offhand, but I'll see what I can dig up) to be available in the right deal, and had their names floated in various deals at the July 31 deadline. LaPorta was valued enough in 2006 to be drafted by the Red Sox. And Theo's MO is that he's going for young, top caliber talent if he's dealing a top prospect.
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raftsox		#83	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1397 11/06/09 4:16 PM	badfishnbc wrote: All names that have been cited in various media reports over the past 4 months of players that the FO value and covet, especially those young corner bats. Rant warning. (pre-script: this is not directed at you badfish). Where has this new found fascination with the work "covet" come from? Prior to the last year or so, you never heard people say "covet". It's waaaaaayyy too strong for this type of use, and is consequently abused by the media. For example: the Red Sox do not currently covet Prince Fielder. They feel he is a good fit. Covet implies they absolutely need him, and will do anything to get him. I propose the use of "desire" or "want". Whenever I hear these reporters/analysts say the Sox covet someone I immediately think of Theo crouched in a dark room muttering "gollum" while staring at a picture of the player he supposedly covets. I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head. ... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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SoxSail		#84	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 297 11/06/09 4:53 PM	From Miriam-Webster's Online Dictionary: COVET: 1 : to wish for earnestly <covet an award> 2 : to desire (what belongs to another) inordinately or culpably If you can covet an award, then you can covet a player, especially if you're trying to get him by paying less than his value.
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TheGoldenGreek33		#85	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3233 11/06/09 5:14 PM Veteran Member	LondonSox wrote: Greek what crawled up your ass the last few weeks, you seem to want to pick a fight with everyone and anything. Nothing, it just seems we could trade for a feces-throwing monkey and people would be stoked because he throws hard. I'm not judging the off-season on one transaction, but I'm getting tired of these low-risk/high-reward deals while the MFY's just walked all over us and everyone else and will continue to do so until we add a difference-maker.
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raftsox		#86	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1398 11/06/09 5:28 PM	SoxSail wrote: From Miriam-Webster's Online Dictionary: COVET: 1 : to wish for earnestly <covet an award> 2 : to desire (what belongs to another) inordinately or culpably If you can covet an award, then you can covet a player, especially if you're trying to get him by paying less than his value. I'll try my best at blatant cynicism: no effing Schizer. The point I was making is that the Sox do not covet all of these players specifically. Nor, do any of the other teams out there that supposedly covet certain players actually covet them. They would like them on their team, they desire a player of that caliber, they want that player's package (HA!), etc. I just feel that "covet" has become the new cliche term that is completely inappropriate. If the Red Sox truly coveted Adrian Gonzalez they'd empty the farm for him. If they truly coveted Mark Teixiera they would have given him no-trade protection, an opt-out clause, and paid him the most money. There is a difference in terminology that I think is being ignore lately. To me, covet is too strong of a word; there are better ways of saying it that don't imply the team is a stalker outside someone's window rubbing themselves. I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head. ... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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Brisox		#87	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 262 11/06/09 5:28 PM Veteran Member	I don't think this is a bad deal, although I was looking for good things from Alvarez and I think Jones can be a very serviceable middle reliever, but I am not juiced by it. He was a solid Minor Leaguer, but so what, the Majors are littered with guys like this. Perhaps we should try to scoop up Alex Gordon too and fix him. then maybe Delmon Young and have the MILB player of the year trifecta. I would love nothing more than to have him turn it around, but if we sign Bay and Drew is healthy I dont see him finding a whole bunch of ABs. As someone said, we still need a back up CFer and with a questionable arm and defense can we even risk him in a well known difficult to play right field? If we pay 15M plus per year on a Lfer I would guess we would want that player in every game. Additionally , if we dont trade Lowell and he is healthy we still have to think about the Martinez , Lowell, Youk in left set up that they often employ. We cant start him in AAA without him clearing waiver so I just dont see where he is going to get this chance for redemption without a series of injuries. I really hope this is not something that frees up for Reddick to be shopped , because I see him as a special player.
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Guidas		#88	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 52 11/06/09 5:41 PM	"We covet what we see every day, Clarise." Hannibal Lechter, Silence of the Lambs
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SoxSail		#89	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 301 11/06/09 6:07 PM	Brisox wrote: We cant start him in AAA without him clearing waiver so I just dont see where he is going to get this chance for redemption without a series of injuries. I really hope this is not something that frees up for Reddick to be shopped , because I see him as a special player. Both of these issues were discussed earlier in this thread. Most importantly, he can be optioned in 2010, and in 2011 if he barely sees time in the Majors this year.
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left coast bosox fan		#90	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3408 11/06/09 6:37 PM Veteran Member	Two thumbs up for the deal. We've at minimum acquired an option of a serviceable piece to the giant puzzle with big upside 'potential'. I liked the fact that Hunter Jones added a slider this season making him a more complete middle reliever but, fact is, Dustin Richardson passed him in the lefty reliever role. Jose Alvarez was unlikely to ever pitch for the Sox. That being said, you guys have me confused. Is it OK for me to want to have sex only with my neighbor's wife ? "According to Elias, Wang's ERA of 21.60 as a starter is the worst ERA for the first 5 starts in the history of baseball." ... YES Network 6/11/2009
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CBA82		#91	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 327 11/06/09 8:17 PM Veteran Member	"Jose Alvarez was unlikely to ever pitch for the Sox." -- On what basis do you say that?
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LarsinCharge		#92	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 390 11/06/09 8:35 PM	CBA82 wrote: "Jose Alvarez was unlikely to ever pitch for the Sox." -- On what basis do you say that? He's a slender, short pitcher with a fringy fastball and a tendency to live up in the zone. He succeeds at the short-season level mostly by being unafraid to throw strikes and by having good arm action on his change-up. Guys with his package of skills and physical tools often have a hard road to the majors.
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OCD SS		#93	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 659 11/06/09 11:42 PM Veteran Member	TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: LondonSox wrote: Greek what crawled up your ass the last few weeks, you seem to want to pick a fight with everyone and anything. Nothing, it just seems we could trade for a feces-throwing monkey and people would be stoked because he throws hard. I'm not judging the off-season on one transaction, but I'm getting tired of these low-risk/high-reward deals while the MFY's just walked all over us and everyone else and will continue to do so until we add a difference-maker. Is the monkey a lefty? *"I'd like to fck Sandra Bullock"** - Pedro, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
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Sibby Sisti		#94	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 267 11/07/09 12:36 AM	Brisox wrote: I don't think this is a bad deal, although I was looking for good things from Alvarez and I think Jones can be a very serviceable middle reliever, but I am not juiced by it. He was a solid Minor Leaguer, but so what, the Majors are littered with guys like this. Perhaps we should try to scoop up Alex Gordon too and fix him. then maybe Delmon Young and have the MILB player of the year trifecta. I would love nothing more than to have him turn it around, but if we sign Bay and Drew is healthy I dont see him finding a whole bunch of ABs. As someone said, we still need a back up CFer and with a questionable arm and defense can we even risk him in a well known difficult to play right field? If we pay 15M plus per year on a Lfer I would guess we would want that player in every game. Additionally , if we dont trade Lowell and he is healthy we still have to think about the Martinez , Lowell, Youk in left set up that they often employ. We cant start him in AAA without him clearing waiver so I just dont see where he is going to get this chance for redemption without a series of injuries. I really hope this is not something that frees up for Reddick to be shopped , because I see him as a special player. I see Reddick, too, as a special player. And I am sure that other teams do as well. But let's face it, to acquire the players we "covet", a guy like Reddick is an attraction. Its not as if there are no replacements for him in the system. Kalish, and behind him, Westmoreland, have the potential to equal what Reddick provides to the organization. Reddick, Anderson, Kelly are all valuable assets as we enter the trading season. Moving them won't be easy. But, let's face it, these are the guys other teams are asking for in trade discussions.
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left coast bosox fan		#95	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3409 11/07/09 3:17 AM Veteran Member	LarsinCharge wrote: CBA82 wrote: "Jose Alvarez was unlikely to ever pitch for the Sox." -- On what basis do you say that? He's a slender, short pitcher with a fringy fastball and a tendency to live up in the zone. He succeeds at the short-season level mostly by being unafraid to throw strikes and by having good arm action on his change-up. Guys with his package of skills and physical tools often have a hard road to the majors. Add to that the fact that he's 20, in his third year in the organization and still at short season A ball. The odds are just very slim that he'd ever pitch for a perennial pennant contender. He's far better off with the Marlins where he might actually make the majors someday as low cost major league filler. Simple probability says the odds are slim with a team like the Red Sox. Edit 20, my bad "According to Elias, Wang's ERA of 21.60 as a starter is the worst ERA for the first 5 starts in the history of baseball." ... YES Network 6/11/2009 Last Edited By: left coast bosox fan 11/07/09 4:39 AM. Edited 1 time.
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TheGoldenGreek33		#96	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3238 11/07/09 3:28 AM Veteran Member	Alvarez is 20. Still doesn't take away the fact that he's a lefty with mediocre stuff and a reverse split. Weird trade all-around, really. Two lefties with reverse splits for a LH extreme-pull hitter in Fenway.
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adiospaydro2005		#97	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1523 11/07/09 5:04 AM Veteran Member	Gamel and LaPorta are not potential difference makers for the Red Sox. Both have a lot of holes in their swings and can't field if their lives depended on it. Besides, the Red Sox already have too many DHs as it is. I'd much rather see the Red Sox go after a younger player such as Braun who would hit a lot of homeruns. Of course, it would cost a lot in terms of prospects such as Bard, Kelly and Kalish. Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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SeaDog19		#98	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 245 11/07/09 8:22 AM Veteran Member	Gamel and LaPorta are not potential difference makers for the Red Sox. Both have a lot of holes in their swings and can't field if their lives depended on it. Besides, the Red Sox already have too many DHs as it is. I'd much rather see the Red Sox go after a younger player such as Braun who would hit a lot of homeruns. Of course, it would cost a lot in terms of prospects such as Bard, Kelly and Kalish. I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not.
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LondonSox		#99	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 254 11/07/09 9:48 AM	I just think this is what a high budget team should be doing. Low budget team cutting bait on a talent due to 4mm USD or so, 2 years of control. 3 years of options left. Is paying 4mm for a guy to play in AAA too much? To me clearly not, what would a guy of his talent coming from say Cuba get? A lot more than this, but he isn't as controlled as that. This is what I love to see the Sox using their advantages, a deep farm system but a lack of studs, and money. They could pick up a lot of high talent prospect heading into arb, but the only way to definitely get them is to trade something to get them so the likes of the Mets don't get first dibs. I strongly do not agree that this is an option for LF as a starting player. This is giving nothing much and cash to get a guy they can play in AAA and have depth and a chance he breaks out finally (which I personally think is still likely). I hope we see more of this. Downside is purely that Alvarez puts its together, which is a crap load less likely than Hermida putting it together, and frankly Alvarez is going to have to be on the 40 man roster years befre he's going to get a shot at the Sox. That's not the case for the Marlins.
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jspearlj1		#100	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 4939 11/07/09 11:15 AM	TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: Alvarez is 20. Still doesn't take away the fact that he's a lefty with mediocre stuff and a reverse split. Weird trade all-around, really. Two lefties with reverse splits for a LH extreme-pull hitter in Fenway. I don't get the extreme pull hitter thing going around with Hermida. Sure his HR power is pull, which is rather normal for MLBers, its usually only the guys with insane power that can spray HR to all fields, but if you carefully look at Hermida's 2B, 3B and FB he goes to LF a LOT. He seems to me a guy who should be fine in Fenway. He has the raw power to still pull balls for HR but if he's hitting well he should love the monster and still be able to hit balls into the gaps. I'm actually wondering if the Marlins tried to get him to get away from a pull approach too much, Dolphins/LandShark stadium is deeper to RF than LF and the humidity really kills how a ball travels. I'm thinking the Marlins wanted him to spray the ball and rely less on pull HR (since they would be at a premium) and doing so he may have been supressing some of his power for more avg. RH power isn't supressed too much there, but LH power is, then again, a pull approach may not help him too much here. However, he is supposed to have the type of natural pull power to still hit it out of Fenway well.
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