Red Sox acquire Jeremy Hermida for Hunter Jones and Jose Alvarez

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LondonSox		#61	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 252 11/06/09 4:52 AM	Greek what crawled up your ass the last few weeks, you seem to want to pick a fight with everyone and anything. Anyway I've always been a big fan of Hermida the prospect, and he's a guy who I've never seen as many people I like and respect be "wrong" on. which makes me very happy to pick up a guy I still think has tremendous upside for what I broadly regard as not very much. My main concern would be that I don't see a guy like this having a chance to actually develop on a Sox team in a fight every day of every year with the Yanks. He needs playing time and I'm not sure this is the spot he'll turn into the stud I've always viewed him as having the chance of being. That said I think he's a potential all star, I think Hunter Jones is taking up a 40 man spot and Jose Alvarez is rule 5 eligable already and a LONG way from anything, after being really impressive IN LOW A in his 3rd year. He's not chopped liver but hell I'd make that trade every time. Hermida is a recent number one Marlins prospect who already had a very good year in the bigs, (BABIP aside blah blah) who is controlled for 2 years. Is he a Bay replacement, clearly not for the Sox, but it's a very good trade. For me a great one because I'm a big Hermida fan.
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Atzar		#62	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 61 11/06/09 4:56 AM	So he's Baldelli v2.0 with slightly shuffled tools - more power potential, less arm. As long as his role isn't any bigger than that - unless he plays his way into it - I like this acquisition.
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LondonSox		#63	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 253 11/06/09 6:36 AM	Atzar wrote: So he's Baldelli v2.0 with slightly shuffled tools - more power potential, less arm. As long as his role isn't any bigger than that - unless he plays his way into it - I like this acquisition. Well except he's not got serious long term health issues, he's controlled for 2 years, is younger and has more upside - but can't play CF. Other than that, if you mean he's a cheap OF who has upside and downside. Yes I guess so
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Bury the Hammer		#64	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 589 11/06/09 8:31 AM Veteran Member	TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: Hopefully Theo's explanation will get it through that he's not going to be their LF replacement for Bay. It's strictly an acquisition to see if he can fulfill his true potential. His true potential as what, an amazing 4th outfielder?
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dws5		#65	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 3 07/29/98 3:57 PM	Bury the Hammer wrote: TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: Hopefully Theo's explanation will get it through that he's not going to be their LF replacement for Bay. It's strictly an acquisition to see if he can fulfill his true potential. His true potential as what, an amazing 4th outfielder? He certainly has the "potential" to be alot more than a 4th outfielder. We are talking about a guy who was one of the best prospects in baseball just a few years ago who put up .288/.371/.487 away from Florida between 2006 and 2008. I wouldn't call him plan A right now but he is a better plan B than we had 2 days ago.
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fardo	Turn him	#66	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 57 11/06/09 9:27 AM	Good trade. What did we give up? Theo is thinking. Part of the package to SD for Gonzalez?
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TokenWilliams		#67	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 504 11/06/09 9:37 AM	LennSakata wrote: The point of my post was not health/games played related... it was about the apathy with which he approaches the game. You read any Marlines beat writers, bloogers, fan comments on blogs and they all talk about how he is oafish, lazy, rather be somewhere else, etc. I still like the move and it may be unwarranted like it is with JD...just an even keel approach. We shall see which it is. There are Marlin bloggers?
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badfishnbc		#68	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 6 11/06/09 10:14 AM	I think Hermida's age means you can treat him like a top prospect on the depth chart, and opens up another of the top guys to be flipped in a blockbuster trade. Theo's going to go hard after one of several guys: LaPorta, Gamel, Felix, or Adrian Gonzalez. Those are young, build-around players that this team needs, and Hermida is a classic complementary piece with good upside potential.
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CMF16		#69	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 409 11/06/09 10:35 AM	fardo wrote: Good trade. What did we give up? Theo is thinking. Part of the package to SD for Gonzalez? Exactly, Hermida was acquired to be used in a trade for someone like Adrian Gonzalez or Felix Hernandez. I'm sure Hoyer would like to have him to replace Giles. I also see Kotchman being used in one of these deals.
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raftsox		#70	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1396 11/06/09 10:44 AM	badfishnbc wrote: I think Hermida's age means you can treat him like a top prospect on the depth chart, and opens up another of the top guys to be flipped in a blockbuster trade. Theo's going to go hard after one of several guys: LaPorta, Gamel, Felix, or Adrian Gonzalez. Those are young, build-around players that this team needs, and Hermida is a classic complementary piece with good upside potential. badfish, were those players completely random? LaPorta isn't going to be traded, and I question how much Theo values him. We could have gone hard after him when we drafted him; his stock hasn't changed a bit since then. I've heard Gamel is available, but he's not a 3B on a club that just announced their defense was terrible. The others have been discussed ad nosaeum(sp?). I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head. ... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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Union4Sox		#71	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 280 11/06/09 11:10 AM	TokenWilliams wrote: LennSakata wrote: The point of my post was not health/games played related... it was about the apathy with which he approaches the game. You read any Marlines beat writers, bloogers, fan comments on blogs and they all talk about how he is oafish, lazy, rather be somewhere else, etc. I still like the move and it may be unwarranted like it is with JD...just an even keel approach. We shall see which it is. There are Marlin bloggers? For what its worth, I was listening to Sports Hub last night and whoever comes on after Massarotti and Felger apparently worked in the FL area for awhile. He made a very clear point, numerous times, that Sox fans should not get too excited about Hermida. He said on paper it is easy to get excited about the guy because of his potential. But, he was the only Marlin to be boo'd by the fans in FL. And you have to be pretty bad to get those fans worked up. It wasn't as much his performance as it was his failure to live up to the hype combined with what was said to be a poor attitude/work ethic. It was noted that there is obviously the chance he turns it around after being relieved of the scrutiny he was under. But, Boston isn't exactly known for its lax playing environment. As for Hermida being thrown around in trade discussions, I don't see how people can rationalize that. First off, if his trade value was defined by Alvarez and Jones, why would that value all of a sudden increase to make him a legitimate piece of a trade for someone like Gonzalez? Especially with no playing time (and good performance in that playing time) to indicate an appreciation of value could occur. And secondly, the comments by many people from FL seem to indicate the guy has regressed dramatically. So I'm not sure how one could spin that into making him seem like a legitimate "prospect". I see this as another low risk-high upside investment by Theo. I definitely like the move and its a move we can afford to make. We can pay a 4th outfielder an upwards of 4-5 million a year, the Marlins can't. But, I don't see this as a part of some grand scheme to acquire a huge talent. Last Edited By: Union4Sox 11/06/09 11:38 AM. Edited 2 times.
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DCRi		#72	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1167 11/06/09 11:19 AM Veteran Member	I went back and read the BA Prospect and BP pieces about Hermida over the years. Everyone loved him. One year he was the number 2 rated prospect in BP. He was widely considered to be a sure superstar in the making. The Marlins apparently believed that as well, rushing him to the majors from AA, much the way they did with Hanley Ramirez. Except he did not prove to be a Hanley Ramirez. First of all, he apparently is brittle. I think he has had at least one injury causing him to lose substantial playing time in almost every season of his career, including the minors. He had one stretch in 2007 when he hit like everyone expected he would, batting .339 in the second half of the season. The rest of the time he has not performed as anticipated. He is said to have outstanding strike zone judgment and doesn't swing at pitches out of the zone. But apparently somewhere along the line he also stopped swinging at pitches over the plate as well. So far he has turned out to be a slightly better version of Andy Marte, another player who was hugely hyped at the same time as Hermida but who also has flopped. I do not see how he fits into the long term plans for the Sox. He was one of the players mentioned as going to Pittsburgh when the Sox were trying to put together the Ramirez trade with Florida and Pittsburgh. I don't think we should be surprised if he is in a trade package later in the off-season.
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LarsinCharge		#73	[url]	[-]
Posts: 389 11/06/09 11:24 AM Zach Managing Editor SoxProspects.com	LondonSox wrote: Atzar wrote: So he's Baldelli v2.0 with slightly shuffled tools - more power potential, less arm. As long as his role isn't any bigger than that - unless he plays his way into it - I like this acquisition. Well except he's not got serious long term health issues, he's controlled for 2 years, is younger and has more upside - but can't play CF. Other than that, if you mean he's a cheap OF who has upside and downside. Yes I guess so Hermida is a very different player than Rocco. Rocco is more of a free swinger with solid power and (formerly) great wheels. Hermida is much more of a gap-to-gap guy when he falls into his instinctive approach, and has never been known for his speed or baserunning ability, but he does have good plate discipline and an advanced batting eye. So, basically, other than that they are both outfielders drafted in the first round who have come a bit short of their potential, they're nothing alike.
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mtsquad		#74	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 147 11/06/09 11:37 AM	Nexus wrote: LennSakata wrote: http://blogs.sun-sentinel...2008/10/trade-front.html Here is a link with a scouts notes that was the point of my post which is echoed in many other articles. Still, at the cost of Hunter Jones and Gonzales I do like taking the chance. Of course playing in front of 37k passionate fans 81x/year instead of 8k may ignite something as well I hung out with Hermida one night in Atlanta. His childhood friend was a coworker of mine. It was after the '07 season (his best to date). He's just a normal, good guy. Nothing stuck out about him that screamed a-hole. Wasn't "above" anyone. He's extremely laid back, though. He's not a Youk or Pedey mold. So yeah, there's your "off-the-field" personality report. So he's nothing like GoldenGreek then? Refreshing! Iminate, Dompact
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tdrowe		#75	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1129 11/06/09 11:48 AM Tyler Editor SoxProspects.com	Hermida had 28SB to 2CS in the Sally League. In 118 games in the Southern League, he was 23-2 (2005). Granted he's filled out, and it's not like he's the baserunner Rocco is, but he definitely has above-average wheels.
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amfox1		#76	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6314 11/06/09 11:51 AM Adam Senior Moderator SoxProspects Forum	Union4Sox wrote: For what its worth, I was listening to Sports Hub last night and whoever comes on after Massarotti and Felger apparently worked in the FL area for awhile. He made a very clear point, numerous times, that Sox fans should not get too excited about Hermida. He said on paper it is easy to get excited about the guy because of his potential. But, he was the only Marlin to be boo'd by the fans in FL. And you have to be pretty bad to get those fans worked up. It wasn't as much his performance as it was his failure to live up to the hype combined with what was said to be a poor attitude/work ethic. It was noted that there is obviously the chance he turns it around after being relieved of the scrutiny he was under. But, Boston isn't exactly known for its lax playing environment. As for Hermida being thrown around in trade discussions, I don't see how people can rationalize that. First off, if his trade value was defined by Alvarez and Jones, why would that value all of a sudden increase to make him a legitimate piece of a trade for someone like Gonzalez? Especially with no playing time (and good performance in that playing time) to indicate an appreciation of value could occur. And secondly, the comments by many people from FL seem to indicate the guy has regressed dramatically. So I'm not sure how one could spin that into making him seem like a legitimate "prospect". I see this as another low risk-high upside investment by Theo. I definitely like the move and its a move we can afford to make. We can pay a 4th outfielder an upwards of 4-5 million a year, the Marlins can't. But, I don't see this as a part of some grand scheme to acquire a huge talent. Hermida is the definition of a guy who needed a new place to play. He has worn out his welcome with Florida and could never live up to the hype he brought with him. Boston will be a fresh start for him. I'm sure he knew it was over when he batted once after September 2. I'd like to see him for myself before I impugn him as a ballplayer. I do not that his plate approach fits perfectly with this team. He'd slot in as the 7th or 8th place hitter when he plays (behind Ellsbury, Pedroia, Martinez, Youkilis, Ortiz, LF/Lowell), and he will show better power numbers in Fenway than in Florida (about 10% higher park factor).
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Yirmiyahu		#77	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 577 11/06/09 12:08 PM	Was looking at Hermida's transaction history and realized he's never been optioned to the minors, not even for a day, since his contract was purchased from AA when he was 21 years old. Maybe that says something about his development. The options also gives us roster flexibility, if need be.
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MLBDreams		#78	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 552 11/06/09 12:13 PM	I cannot see Hermida replacing Bay as LF starter with only 57 career HR in 5 yr and a career of .265 hitter. He's also over 100+ strikeouts for 3 straight yr. How can he turn from average 3 yr NL hitter: .266 avg, 16 HR, 57 RBI to acceptable AL hitter: .285 avg, over 20 HR, 80 RBI? He could be similar to JD Drew with his stats for us in his last 3 yrs. I'm okay (not really excited) with him being our 4th OF for the Red Sox. We're still need power RH hitter for LF starter spot (Bay/Holliday or whomever Theo finds). But I agreed with CMF16 about Hermida being potential trade chip for AGonz or King Felix.
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amfox1		#79	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6316 11/06/09 12:17 PM Adam Senior Moderator SoxProspects Forum	Yirmiyahu wrote: Was looking at Hermida's transaction history and realized he's never been optioned to the minors, not even for a day, since his contract was purchased from AA when he was 21 years old. Maybe that says something about his development. The options also gives us roster flexibility, if need be. For 2010 and possibly 2011. Note that Hermida has 4 years + in the majors and cannot be optioned without his consent after 5 years.
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Sibby Sisti		#80	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 264 11/06/09 12:58 PM	I can see Hermida being a factor in a Red Sox trade. With him on board it makes Reddick more available. Reddick's services would certainly be more in demand than Hermida and he appears, at this point, to have more upside. With Rizzzo developing the way he has and knocking on the Portland door, Lars, our former #1 prospect, is vulnerable. I can see Theo getting his ducks in order to make a run at Felix or Adrian
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