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Steve Dillard |
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Just shows how pitching and defense are the keys.
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Bosoxwest |
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They got a lot of breaks, and the Angels and Phillies played a brand of baseball that can only be described as "extra chromosome-y", but hell, they
SHOULD have won the thing. I mean, they spent enough money in this offseason alone to field an entire MLB baseball team for 5 years. Basic math tells us, they
should be a pretty freakin' talented team. I have to give some credit to Pettitte. How he managed to avoid getting lit up throwing that weak-ass shit was
beyond me.
Bottom line is, they are not losing anyone of consequence in the off-season, barring - depending on your view of health vs. performance - Damon. Next year is going to be another tough run for the Sox.
Just wanted to say that Singer has disallowed me from posting new topics ever since my Freddy Guzman thread. He seemed very upset about my opinions and was
almost hostile in his responses. He must have been upset about something else, I don't know, it was strange. Anyway, apparently he has deemed me unworthy
of starting new discussions. Do I mind? I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
-- Youngcheese, making my day |
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mredsox89 |
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I hate the Yanks as much as anyone. But I'm not going to do anything more than congratulate them. They spend the most money, Cashman even said that the win
was because of their payroll. The Sox need to spend if they want to catch up with the Yankees. Luckily, the Yankee team is old, and will always be old, and the
back end of almost every contract they owe is absolutely terrible. The Sox have been able to lock up players through their prime, not 4 years after it.
I congratulate the Yanks and move on to the 09/10 offseason |
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Archie Graham |
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Yeah. It'll catch up to them years from now.
And then they'll write another $500 million check and be in the playoffs for 7 more years. |
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mredsox89 |
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Archie Graham wrote: And if they spend 1.5x as much as anyone, and win 1 or 2 WS every decade, then so be it. I think this sox FO has every capability of winning at least a title a decade. |
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Archie Graham |
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The Yankees aren't spending money as unwisely as they have in the past.
They also have one of the best young power hitters coming up, young pitching that could move into the rotation, and seemingly $30 million coming off the books every year. (with some huge free agents coming to market soon) Sabathia is going to have to get hurt or start slipping for them to go back to a one-and-done or miss-the-playoffs type team. |
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mredsox89 |
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Archie Graham wrote: I agree that it is getting better, but they are still getting people who didn't want to go to NY by offering the longer contracts. Money comes off the books, yes. But Sabathia gets a raise of 9 million next season from 14-23, 23 for the rest of the contract. Cano increases from 6 to 9. Swisher goes from 5.3 to 6.75, then to 9 in 2011 Players who need new deals or will go elsewhere. Damon--13 mil in 09 Matsui--13 mil in 09 Nady--6.55 in 09 Pettite--5.5 in 09 Wang--5 in 09 Gaudin--2 in 09 Hairston--2 in 09 Molina--2 in 09 Hinske--1.5 in 09 Melky--1.4 Bruney--1.5 Joba--.432 Hughes--.407 Those are the guys with significant price changes. They have approximately $55 million in expiring contracts and about $15 million in increasing salaries of players under long term. So that is about $40 off the books. You figure they will sign either Damon or Matsui, at a similar rate, say 10 million. They will have to pay increases to Hughes, Joba. You have 3 starters in Pettite, Wang, and Gaudin that have to be replaced, along with almost their entire bench. Montero is still not ready for the majors and I dont think the Yanks will hand over the pitching staff to someone who has no experience in the majors. Their SP prospects haven't fared well in the rotation, Kennedy, Hughes, Joba. Any significant additions will likely result in another increase in payroll. |
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Archie Graham |
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I don't even bother thinking about their roster or payroll.
They'll do whatever they want to do. Just hope that guys like Mauer sign deals to stay where they are, because the Red Sox have no shot at these type of players. |
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Steve Dillard |
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Archie Graham wrote:Please, it's cyclical. Buying talent looks great on the front end, but bad on the back ends of the deal. So, when the Yanks signed Giambi in 2002 it looked great when he hit 1.034 and .931 OPSs in his first two seasonsand hit two homers off Martinez in game 7 2003, etc. etc. Then he got sick and it was no longer great. He still had 4 .930 OPS seasons out of his first 5. They signed Mussina and he was great from 2001-2005. The Yanks will get value out of Teixeira and ARod til they're 36, then they'll have 3 average years for which they overpay. Not sure it's "smart" or "bad" -- it is what it is, at the moment you do it. Since they're on the front end of Teixeira, Sabathia, and Burnett, those look smaat.
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Archie Graham |
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Well, those Posada, Mariano, etc. deals were supposed to be killing them by now.
The will mix plenty of "front end" guys with the back end guys. A Mauer or Hanley Ramirez type player will be added down the road. Felix Hernandez if he doesn't re-up. Rinse and repeat. |
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Bosoxwest |
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mredsox89 wrote:I congratulate you for taking the high road, but I think this is a bit of an oversimplification. The Yankees are valued at $1.5B dollars. That is nearly $700M more than the Sox. Even with their bloated payroll it accounts to a spend of $27 per Nielson household. The Sox spend is at $50.5 per household. The Brewers are at $88.5 per household, which given their local economy cannot stand, obviously. These dollars actually represent the fans' spending. In short, smaller market teams like the Brewers and Reds, who are atop the spend list, are maxed out in a failing, almost pathetic given the results, "GFIN" bid. The Sox are probably fairly close to their sustainable threshold if we can give them credit for understanding their business. The Yankees are on cruise control. I understand that this is a Sox board, and so the context is what it is. But I want to point out that it's probably easier for us to give them credit for spending as was required to buy a championship because we have the luxury of a pretty big payroll ourselves and the recent memory of having won a series. In short, we have hope, and naturally we want to justify the Sox' spending. But for small-market fans, the system is rightly perceived as rigged beyond all hope. They really should hate the Yankees (and they include the Red Sox in their acrimony of course) even more than we do; we just hate them more due to the history and because we actually get to see so many abhorrent Yankee fans in person. If you can't buy a championship, the only other way to do it is the Rays Way: tank for a decade. Something does need to change. I do give the Yankees credit for more or less playing to their abilities. Nobody on that team pulled a Howard and simply disappeared into the earth, and they didn't have any crippling boneheaded plays, a la LAA and Philly. They were a better team, and they didn't cough it up. But I'm not willing to credit them with winning on a level playing field. Shit, if I'm honest with myself, I am probably using the 86-year wait as rationale to balance guilt about the Sox's championships given their payroll in relation to some of the teams they beat.
Just wanted to say that Singer has disallowed me from posting new topics ever since my Freddy Guzman thread. He seemed very upset about my opinions and was
almost hostile in his responses. He must have been upset about something else, I don't know, it was strange. Anyway, apparently he has deemed me unworthy
of starting new discussions. Do I mind? I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
-- Youngcheese, making my day |
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ArodSucksAtLife |
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Cem21 wrote: You're old. I am in love with Clayton Kershaw. I want him in me. - Curll84 |
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templeUsox |
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Ughhh....
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mredsox89 |
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Bosoxwest wrote: Oversimplistic, yes. But it becomes to complicated to grasp without going into a lot of numbers, something that many do not have the time to look over and when presented take so long to understand that people just pass it off. I have 0 problem with "buying" a championship, so long as you don't try to pretend you didn't do it. I was pleasantly surprised that Cashman "admitted" it. I think Redsox fans care much more about the Sox finances, Yankee finances, and everyone else finances much much more than Yankee fans do. Its what has happened over the past 15 years. The Sox have had to spend $ much wiser and it has worked. You can work your way down to the Rays and they have to spend their money even wiser than the Sox. I think the Sox are about a good a balance as you can get between quantity of spending and quality of spending. You can have a Marlins team who spends wiser than anyone, but isn't willing to spend enough to content. Then you can have a team like the Cubs who spend almost as much as anyone but don't seem to have a rhyme or reason behind the $ spent. |
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