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He's what, 19 years old? What's the harm, if he has his heart truly set on shortstop, in letting him play a full season at Greenville strictly at that
position? This, with the understanding that if he convinced that his quickest path to the bigs is not as an everyday player, he then opts to pitch. After
one season playing 1/2 at pitcher and 1/2 at ss he's not convinced that he'd be better off on the mound.. Would the organization suffer by his
playing a full year at ss and then, at age 20, seeing his future is brightest at P, beginning 2011 there?
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TheGoldenGreek33 |
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SoxSail wrote:A couple things, SoxSail: 1) It is intuitive to think the Sox are going to let Casey decide how they're are going to spend their money. Do you think if Manny had shown up in Spring Training one year and told Tito he had a nasty knuckleball and wants to pitch instead of hit, he would have let him? The Sox thought Casey was the most advanced prep arm in the draft, and you really think they gave him the largest bonus they've ever given to a draftee to let him decide what he wants to do? That is intuitive. 2) It's been discussed ad nauseum already, but while Casey has made his preference clear, he hasn't said that he isn't interested in pitching. Realistically, pitching is probably going to be his money-maker and the fastest way to get him to the big leagues. Therefore, even if he's less interested in pitching, chances are he's way more interested in money and success. It's human nature. To say the Sox are "forcing" him to have a better shot at making more money is quite silly. |
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SoxSail |
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I don't understand all the @ stuff, but this was posted on his twitter
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@The_Real_Blythe I don't think it's a battle at all - Kelly's future is on the mound.Also, Greek, check your grammar on your first sentence, and note that as Big O would say, "You're making my point." On that subject I'm done other than to say you may or may not be underestimating Kelly's love for playing every day, we'll see. EDIT: spelling
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TheGoldenGreek33 |
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I don't see how I'm proving your point. You say it's Casey's decision, I say it's the Sox that are writing the paycheck and therefore,
it's their decision. Agree to disagree.
Secondly, I think you may be overestimating Kelly's preference for playing shortstop to the point where you're assuming he would rather stay in the minor leagues longer and forfeit the opportunity to make a lot of money all because he has more fun playing everyday. |
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SoxSail |
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TheGoldenGreek33 wrote:I'm pretty sure the above is a wording issue, right Greek? And you're right, either I'm overestimating, or you are underestimating. It's someone else's feelings, and I don't think he's sure about it, so we'll see. I'm sure I would want to play every day though -- then again, I'd rather play soccer.
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I think its the Sox call on him but he has to realize pitching might not only be his fastest way to the bigs but his only way.
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SexyBanana |
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Pretty cut and dry. Casey will have a say in this decision, but he even understands to make the majors he needs to be on the mound. The Sox and Kelly will sit
down after the AFL and choose a course of action. The Sox will show Casey the light about how he has a long and bright future on the mound and show him the
difference in potential money as a pitcher as opposed to if he chose to stay a shortstop. Casey will suddenly "see the light" and focus his efforts
full time on pitching. Not much to really discuss because it's pretty much a forgone conclusion.
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Cem21 |
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SoxSail wrote:The goal of minor league players is to make the major leagues. The goal of the organizations is to develop major leaguers along with assets to help build/shape their major league team. I'm making it pretty simplistic, but when you cut through all of the posturing, comments, headlines, etc. it comes down to getting to the major leagues for the player and the organization. Everyone wants to play SS, CF, or be the #1 Ace Pitcher, but in the end the drive of making the Show is what ultimately wins out. There have been other players who have switched positions during their career within the system in order to make the major leagues and they'll probably tell you that it was what was needed to be done regardless of how they felt at the time. When an organization makes an assessment and maps out a path to the majors, and an organization with a track record of successfully doing it, its tough to imagine that feelings about the idiosyncrasies of playing as an everyday player or whatever it may be are going to supersede the ultimate goal of playing at the highest level. |
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Beany24 |
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If he's as smart as I think he is, he saw the light the first time he saw Iglesias take infield. I watched him several times in the GCL and his
quickness and range aren't anywhere close to what the scouting reports say about Iglesias. Offensively, his contact rate is low and his power potential
looks to be average. He's just not going to be a ML SS. The Sox are being understandably patient with him but I'm sure he sees the writing on the wall.
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MLBDreams |
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Beany24 wrote:Thank you for your insight about Casey Kelly during his stop with GCL Red Sox twice as SS & hitter (2008 & 2009). We're all hope for him to realize that way since he's on same AFL team as Jose Iglesias and it's uphill battle for him to move up all the levels as SS/hitter instead of pitcher. Beany24- Can you report some of GCL RS games that you attend since most of our active members are not from FL? We're dying to know more about the process of the rookie/foreign players on GCL RS team like which player is worth to watch, etc. |
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Beany24 |
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I go to maybe 6-7 games a summer down here. Have to dodge the t-storms. I'll throw out what observations I have when I can. Most of these kids are
pretty raw, especially the pitchers, but the high skills kids really jump out at you. I'll talk to you in June.
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TheGoldenGreek33 |
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adiospaydro2005 |
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From Jason Grey...
Casey Kelly, Boston Red Sox: Kelly is most definitely worth a lot of attention, but not as a shortstop. His future is on the mound, and I expect that this experiment of his being a position player (which is at Kelly's and not the Red Sox's request) will be over before next season begins. http://insider.espn.go.co...og/index?name=grey_jason
Poorest spending of $3 million that I have ever seen.-fcastig 0220
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Sibby Sisti |
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Can't read the whole article, but did Grey say anything about the other shortstop on the Mesa roster?
Oops, saw that this was already addressed in the Iglesias thread.
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Sibby Sisti |
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The phenom finished the AZ Fall League with a .171 BA. That should tell him something, although he didn't get as many ABs as other prospects on the
roster.
On a positive note, Ryan Kalish hit .301 for the season. Hopefully it will give him some momentum going into Spring Training. |
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Yirmiyahu |
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Kelly's career line as a hitter (including AFL stats):
.213/.279/.324/.603, 108/30 K/BB, 369 PA's. Kelly's career line as a pitcher: 2.08 ERA, 0.85 WHIP, 74/16 K/BB, 95 IP, 361 batters faced. The end. |
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Nexus |
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Gammons (link):
Epstein is going to sit down with Kelly in the next month and make it clear they want him to pitch, and the way he is growing -- they think he's going to be 6-foot-4 and grow into a power pitcher with exceptional feel and command -- he could be in Boston by the end of the 2010 season.He's still growing? |
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jro545454 |
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I think Kelly should play SS and Iglesias pitch.
Seriously though, this is over and done with. He will pitch and the fact that he is still growing is amazing. If he can sit mid-90's with his feel and remarkable feel for pitching then we could have a fantastic pitcher on our hands.
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Oh man, I am so glad we didn't trade Lester and Papelbon for Jeremy Reed!!! To think the USS Mariner called our beloved Paps no better than Clint Nageotte!!! |
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TheGoldenGreek33 |
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Unbelievable.
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FenwayTheHardWay |
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TheGoldenGreek33 wrote: What exactly are you not believing? There's a lot of options here...
"Jonathan Papelbon, not wasting any time, going to his bread and butter there, and that's the
cheese."- Buck Martinez
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