It's great that you came up with all of that, yet you still have Lowell playing 3B?
Weak.
Weak.
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Posts: 4916 10/27/09 8:07 PM |
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Posts: 20 10/27/09 8:13 PM |
Alex Speier explored this for WEEI and said it was a non-starter:
http://fullcount.weei.com...-for-sox-or-anyone-else/ I thought it would've been an intriguing move last year after they lost out on Teixiera. Given the situation with his knee, better it wasn't pursued at that time. |
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Posts: 224 10/27/09 8:20 PM |
Here is the thing about the leg kick and him changing his stance.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-holliday071809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
" When you get in a game against pitchers throwing in the mid-90s with great breaking balls, you need a timing mechanism," he said. "Some guys, the stride works. For me, it didn't. So I had to go back to the kick. Then there's an adjustment period. And it's hard in the major leagues to get hits when you're fiddling with your mechanics. |
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Posts: 4917 10/27/09 8:32 PM |
Great, more evidence that McGwire as a hitting coach is a horrible idea.
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Arthur Spooner |
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Posts: 7 10/27/09 9:19 PM |
I heard somewhere that Holliday can't hit in the AL because AL pitchers throw harder and he struggles against above average FBs. If that's true, then
its a good reason to not sign him, but is it? Admittedly, this is a very small sample, but while with the A's the average FB he saw(according to Fangraphs)
was 91.4 MPH and he was just 0.18 runs above average against them. The thing is, with the Cards he saw harder FBs averaging 92.2 MPH, and he crushed them
posting a 2.45 wFB/C. Like I said, its a small sample, but Holliday had no problem hitting above average FBs this year, and he saw them in the NL, not the AL.
Id be interested in seeing Holliday's numbers versus pitchers w/ average FBs, above average FBs, and below average FBs, to get a better idea if the theory
is true or not, but I can't find that info anywhere.
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jdb |
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Posts: 225 10/27/09 9:43 PM |
I just am not buying the, he cant hit AL pitching. Sure he might not put up the numbers he did in Coores but I dont think it would be far off. Also outside of
Holliday Rajai Davis led the A's in OPS. This season only two of our regulars had a lower one than Davis, Ellsbury and Green. And I dont even consider
Green a regular.
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Posts: 1226 10/27/09 11:11 PM
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One of the perfect things about Yunel Escobar is that he has the ability to slide to third eventually
when/if Iglesias is ready to take over at short, as well as providing a mentor for everybody's favorite Iglesias when he arrives......
One of the perfect things about the Braves is that they're looking to dump the 3/$45M on Derek Lowe's contract so they can re-sign Tim Hudson and still spend this winter...... Escobar was almost traded multiple times this year in various iterations of the Jake Peavy deal...... Interesting......
Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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Yirmiyahu |
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Posts: 569 10/28/09 1:51 AM |
I don't know a great way to verify or rebut the "Holliday can't hit good pitching" assertion, but I really don't think his numbers in
Oakland prove that "he can't hit in the AL." After his first 29 games (which is a fair adjustment period for a new team/park/league), he put up a
.316/.420/.489 line in Oakland (276 PA's). That OBP is .033 higher than his career average. And Oakland is an extreme pitcher's park.
I think, in general, Holliday is probably a better player. But I also think Bay is probably a better match for the Sox: he's already here and is a known quantity, there's less risk as far as questioning how he'd adjust to the AL/Fenway/a big market, his career road splits are significantly better than Holliday's, he probably can be had for somewhat less than Holliday, and the Green Monster masks a lot of his defensive ineptitude (for 81 games a year). |
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ArodSucksAtLife |
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Posts: 3726 10/28/09 2:06 AM Veteran Member |
buffs44444 wrote:Ellipses are cool. One of the worst things I can possibly imagine is a 28 year old with great range getting a .380 OBP while playing 3B for the Red Sox.
"A person can watch a hundreds of baseball games and unless they know what to look forward they won't be able to give a scouting report, which
is a lot different than following the ball or to know what the score is." - last seen 11/01/07
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jdb |
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Posts: 226 10/28/09 10:28 AM |
I love Yunel but just dont see anyone taking Lowe at 45 million. I guess he would be a reliable #5. One name ive been thinking about since Hoyer left is
Blanks. Hoyer seems to want to build the team around pitching and D and I dont think he moves Gonzo. Does anyone think he wants a 300 pound LF? I would offer
Reddick and a low level guy with some upside like a Dent and see what happens. He was actually pretty good in LF but i dont know if it can continue. If we dont
resign Bay or grab a Holliday it could buy us another year or so out there or if we get a LF we put him at 1B and slide Youk to 3B. He would be a great
replacement for Papi after 2010.
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Posts: 1382 10/28/09 11:01 AM |
Lippa91 wrote: Boras does not sign the contract. The players sign the contract. Boras is an excellent negotiator, who likely tries to convince his clients to go where the largest contract is (because it will net Boras corp. the most money), but he does not sign the contracts. Vilify the players, not the agent. Many players sign with Boras corp. because they are extremely successful at netting a better contract (term or value) than many other organizations. Hell, I'll give him credit for voluntarily adopting the "bad guy" moniker because it takes the fan's angst away from the player who is ultimately responsible for agreeing to the contract. The only time he hasn't been successful in taking the blame is with J.D. Drew; a player needlessly ridiculed by the genius fans of the Red Sox.
I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head.
... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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Posts: 78 10/28/09 11:42 AM |
The Padres are in an interesting situation now that they have shedded so much payroll. I think it makes more sense for them to keep and re-sign Gonzalez as
the face of their franchise and heart of their lineup and deal Blanks. Trading Blanks wouldn't net you as much in return as Gonzalez but because of the
finances that a team would need to sign Gonzalez to a long term extension, I think that limits the trade market for him to a degree.
Also as rare as prospect for prospect trades are, Blanks would seem to be a great fit for the Redsox. Young and cost controlled, with very high offensive upside. Seems like Hoyer's demands for Blanks may be high. Is Reddick and Bowden too much? |
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Posts: 253 10/28/09 12:27 PM |
How would Reddick and Bowden, two players who have shown marginal Major League success going to net you a guy who can already hit MLB pitching, is 23 years
old, and profiles as an offensive star? As someone said earlier, Blanks would be worth about as many prospects as Gonzalez, in part because the additional
(monetary) cost would be so much less. He's going to take Bowden, Reddick, Kelly, Lars, and a couple others to get the conversation started. Of course
they're going to want Buchholz, and we're not going to want to give him to them.
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SoxFanPJ wrote:Blanks is a great fit for the Padres and I cannot see him being traded as a pre-arb player. Reddick and Bowden would clearly not be enough. Bowden's trade value has plummeted IMO. If they were to trade Blanks (and I wouldn't if I were Hoyer), I'd guess that Reddick, Kelly and an 11-15 prospect would be closer to the price. Padres would take the positional downgrade (albeit defensive upgrade) at OF for the pitching upgrade. However, I do not see such a trade happening, and I believe the Padres would be much more likely to trade Gonzalez if they cannot work out an extension beyond 2011 with a hometown discount. |
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jdb |
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Posts: 227 10/28/09 12:52 PM |
How highly was Blanks thought of across MLB. I know he was considered SD's #1 prospect but I dont ever recall seeing him in the top names across the
minors. Prior to last season was he a top 25 guy. Sure he is a very good prospect and put up good numbers but he K'd over a third of the time and isnt an
OF going forward. I think Reddick and Bowden would be a good proposal for him. Gives them a replacement in the OF who is far better in the field and gives them
a MLB ready pitcher to step into the rotation. Maybe i am in the wrong on this.
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Posts: 1383 10/28/09 1:00 PM |
SoxSail wrote:Please tell me you're joking. 2009 BA top 100 ranking: Lars: 17, Blanks: 50. 2008 BA top 100 ranking: Buchholz: 4, Lars: 40, Blanks: unranked. Blanks is going to strike out 130 times a season, will likely experience a number of injuries based on his size (knees, back, etc.), is one of the slowest players in baseball, and is the beneficiary of an unsustainably high BABIP. I wouldn't trade Lars for Blanks straight up. Hoyer can ask for the moon, but he shouldn't expect more than a good bullpen arm and a decent middle infield prospect. That being said, Jed should trade him while his value is higher than it will ever be. Blanks calling cards are an ability to hit for average (oddly high BABIPs throughout the minors despite low LD%), power, and take walks. He is not an ideal player for Petco. If I'm Jed, I'm talking to teams in need of a 1B or DH trying to get some arms (Indians, Red Sox, Yankees, Royals, White Sox, Diamonbacks (?), Angels, Mets, Orioles).
I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head.
... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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Guidas |
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Posts: 24 10/28/09 1:30 PM |
Adding to the Bay Watch and his "relative value" (which ultimately will be whatever Brian Cashman says it will be, or not if the Yanks decide to
pass), Rob Bradford had this a week or so ago:
"You might understand why Bay's initial go-round regarding talks with the Red Sox might be classified as "unusual." As Epstein explained, both sides seemingly were motivated to get a deal done as far back as spring training, but because of a market that was still reeling from the likes of contracts such as Bobby Abreu's one-year, $5 million deal, common ground was difficult to discover. "The Red Sox were thinking that the level of compensation for outfielders was still trending toward the lower end, coming in with an offer of approximately three years for $30 million, while Bay was looking for something upward of four years at $14 million per." full link here: http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/red-sox/rob-bradford/2009/10/13/what-lies-ahead-these-red-sox?page=full Meanwhile, if they can get him for 4 years at J.D. Drew money, given the current available free agent alternatives, I would vote yes to that (though still personally holding out hope for the less than 1% chance that the Rays let Carl Crawford hit the open market. Also holding out hope for $1 a gallon gasoline and for Jessica Alba to finally give in, call me, say she's sorry and how can she make it all better...). |
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Posts: 256 10/28/09 1:43 PM |
raftsox wrote:I wasn't joking but I did overshoot. However, Bowden and Lars' stocks are down, and Blanks' is way up. I wouldn't put Lars in any package right now (nor Bowden), but only because they are underrated. Maybe I'm overrating Blanks, but he was a high average guy in the minors, and a high OBP and SLG guy in the majors, which in a best case scenario, would make him a monster hitter going forward... and he's 23!! Moreover, his MLB BABIP was far below his career minor league BABIP, and was at the top end of the range which seems to be normal for really good hitters, though the line drive rate is odd/scary. I'm going to defer to Adam and his value suggestion, and say that I'd entertain it as a trade, but any more discussion on this for me will have to be in the TPSF. |
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Posts: 1227 10/28/09 1:47 PM
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Guidas wrote: Any Heyman today: The Red Sox were thought to have offered Jason Bay about $15 million. They know they need a big hitter if they don't keep Bay, and Matt Holliday seems like an obvious target in that case. So the moral of the story is that everything is speculation at this point. The only way that I see Bay coming back is if ( a ) the team goes heavy on pitching and acquires a Roy Halladay-esque pitcher or ( b ) the team acquires Adrian Gonzalez to pair with Bay in the heart of the lineup.
Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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Posts: 6295 10/28/09 1:54 PM
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jdb wrote:Blanks was considered the 6th best 1B prospect in baseball to start last year behind Smoak, Anderson, Morrison, Alonso and Freeman, and there is no question that he met or exceeded expectations in 2009. |
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