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Nexus wrote: ILikethisBayGuy wrote: Now that Jed looks like a lock for SD's GM position, it might be easier to pull off a A-Gonz trade. Jed would obviously be high on the players coming back in the trade. Yes, the fans in SD would celebrate in the streets for weeks knowing their new GM just shipped their hometown hero back to his former club because of his own man love for Ryan Westmoreland.
ILikethisBayGuy wrote: Now that Jed looks like a lock for SD's GM position, it might be easier to pull off a A-Gonz trade. Jed would obviously be high on the players coming back in the trade.
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Nexus wrote: All of this trade x for y stuff makes me think of Dave Cameron's trade value series he put together at fangraphs around the ASB. Who do you think, right now, are the Sox most valuable trade assets based on age, $$$, contract/team control, position, and future performance/ceiling? My list: Untouchable, Touch but don't tell, This is awkward, 2nd date, PDA, Videotape and show friends 1. Lester 2. Pedroia 3. Youkilis 4. Buchholz 5. Beckett 6. Papelbon 7. Martinez 8. Ellsbury 9. Kelly 10. Bard 11. Westmoreland 12. Drew 13. Matsuzaka 14. Reddick 15. Lowrie 16. Kalish 17. L. Anderson 18. Tazawa 19. Bowden 20. Pimentel 21. Rizzo 22. Exposito 23. Kotchman 24. Lowell 25. R. Ramirez 134. Espinoza 135. Ortiz Did not include players who were 2009 IFA signings, 2009 draft signings, or players with 2010 options (VMart being obvious exception)
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TokenWilliams wrote: Nexus - can we have a little bit more information as to what "2nd Date" ect means.... I'm very confused by the categories since this is a categorical list based on who you'd be likely to trade... I get the premise and like it; just not really sure how each translates to your willingness to move someone.. I'd group 4-11 all in one 2nd teir grouping that isn't likely to be moved, but maybe for the right top notch player I'd have Pimentel, Rizzo and Expo all ahead of Bowden (i wouldn't even have Bowden in that category - I'm long over-due on my desire to get some value for him in the trade market assuming it exists). Kotchman should be in the Ortiz group
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Bosoxwest wrote: If we are going to be dealing with San Diego I'd like to see Chase Headley coming back. Cheaper than AGon and I think has a bright future. Switch hitter, wants to play 3B. The power is not there yet but you look at his hit chart and he had 10-15 PetCo FOs last year that in Fenway are either gone or XBH. Hit very well in the second half. Solves the corner problem for a good while with Youks staying at 1B.
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Guidas wrote: I have to believe that if Jed Hoyer ends up as San Diego's GM it would make dealing for AGonz even more difficult since Hoyer will know much more about the players in the Sox system. Often times in a trade the trading partner is relying on whatever scouting data they have, available stats plus their own projections. Ultimately there's more guessing going on with the other team about your team's prospects, and vice versa. With Hoyer in the driver's seat in San Diego, there's much less guess work because he knows all the Red Sox players in the deal as well as Theo does and he knows who Theo and the Sox org value on San Diego's team. (edifying this, the Globe did a piece back in 06 I think about a variety of Sox prospects with anonymous comments from other teams execs or chief scouts who offered thoughts on selected Sox prospects; one comment was, "We don't know how much they (The Sox) like him." - the implication being if the Sox don't like a player that another team secretly covets, he can be had cheaply in a deal). Since Hoyer knows not just all our prospects, but also how much each is valued internally, my guess is that makes San Diego a very difficult trading partner going forward for the next three years or so, even though the personal relationships are excellent. This may be why the Sox have not done much business with teams where recent front office execs have gone.
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Guidas wrote: On a separate note, I wonder what kind of value Manny DelCarmen would have. I have heard buzz over the years that many other teams hold him in high regard (or in high regard as far as middle relievers go). His location problems aside in the 2nd half of the season, he still has his velocity and virtually every pitching coach thinks he can "fix" a guy with velocity and control that comes and goes. Straight up, DelCarmen may not get you much but he could be a shiny chip in a package.
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jamalisamra20 wrote: Wrong. He is not a shiny chip. Shiny chips are guys who could fetch you value straight up. Plus, his value has never been lower and with the volitale nature of relief pitchers, they mind as well hold on to him to see if he can return to form. If not, then you dump him.
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