Granted you don't want to place that much pressure on unproven players, but I can see it being ok.
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Jrou8809 |
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So I've been hearing a lot about how the talent in the sox system is in AA and most of all A ball. While I don't disagree with this, I think the young
players in Pawtucket deserve more credit. Obviously Tazawa, Bowden, and Reddick are the biggest, higher ceiling names, but there are some good players there.
They lack a solid 2B/SS prospect in AAA right now and Jimenez probably won't be able to contribute at the major league level this year, in just his first
year, but everywhere else seems to be fairly well off. Thisis a big year for Bates, but he could breakout in his first full season and be that 1B/corner
outfield help that the sox will eventually need. If wagner explodes in his second season like he did in Portland he could be dubbed the catcher of the future.
And then looking at Daeges, Nava, and Bell. those guys are kind of wild cards, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or two or all of them breakout and
become the 2nd outfield call up behind Reddick. It's a lot of "if"'s but I think there's better talent than the get credit for, and
fairly serviceable for when that June injury hits.
Granted you don't want to place that much pressure on unproven players, but I can see it being ok. |
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Wagner, Bates and Reddick are the only position players at Pawtucket that make the top 60 prospect list on this site. Bell and Nava are on the post-prospect
list. No one hit very well at Pawtucket this year. Next year is a key year for these fellows as well as Daeges. And who knows what is going on with Daeges.
He hurt a foot and disappeared for the season. Very odd.
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Ya, but the ratings are based on a combination of production and ceiling, so guys in the GCL might be rated higher because we don't know what we are gonna
get with them, we know who these guys are now, and we know that they can can be productive at higher levels even if they were behind in the age advancement
scale. I agree that there is a limited ceiling like a AAAA player or solid bench player, which is exactly what they will be. I'm just saying that their
role fits their abilities
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Nava has only played 32 games in Double-A. While we're projecting him for Pawtucket next year, it's a very loose projection, more based on a roster
crucnh than anything else. He just as easily could head back to Portland.
Mike Hazen has said it himself in recent interviews. There isn't a ton of major league ready talent in the folds next year. As such, the team might be more active in the MLFA market this off-season. Bates, Bell, Daeges, and Nava are all nice players in their own respects - and any one of them could break out next year - but they are not the types of players the organization generally relies on for major league depth. |
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Here is my projected AAA roster (age as of 3/31/10), which is slightly different from the official SP projection:
Starters: Bowden* (23), Tazawa* (23), Doubront* (22), Mills (25), Bierd (26) (gone: Zink (30)) Bullpen: Cabrera* (28) (assumes he agrees to go to AAA), Richardson* (26)^, [MLFA], Johnson (25)^, Large (26), Cox (25), Province (25) (gone: Hansack (31), Traber (30), Lopez (32), Vaquedano (28), Gonzalez (27)) Position players: (OF) Nava (27), Reddick* (23), Daeges* (26), Bell (27) (assumes B.Anderson (28) is on the Red Sox; gone: Danielson (27)) (IF) Bates* (26), [MFLA], [MLFA], Jimenez (25), Khoury (26), Still (25) (gone: Chavez (28), Natale (27)) (C) Wagner* (25), Brown* (27) (gone: Otness (28)) * 40 man roster ^ LHP I could see Iglesias filling the SS spot at AAA if he continues to impress at the AFL but think it is more likely that he starts in Salem or Portland - leaning towards Portland. I would therefore expect a couple of AAAA middle infielders (wherefore art thou, Nick Green?) to man these posts until Navarro and Iglesias are ready to move to Pawtucket. I take Mike's point about Nava, but I see the Kalish-Lin-Place OF in Portland as a given, absent injuries or an offseason trade. Therefore, Nava slots better in AAA than AA, especially given his age and the need to challenge him. As currently constuted, this will be a team with good pitching and anemic hitting, at least through the early part of the season. I could see the Red Sox signing a couple of major league/AAAA hitters and having a competition among Daeges, Nava, Bell and Still for two slots, with the others shipped to XST, AA or cut. Bell's only advantage among the four is that he is the only one who can play CF; if Anderson starts in AAA, I cannot see Bell surviving ST, absent injuries. Per the official SP projection, Still may be a good bet to remain in AA.
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Before we get into free agency, the Triple-A players who I think the Sox consider immediate major league depth are Tazawa, Bowden, Richardson, Wagner, and
Reddick. Brian Anderson could also be on that list if you consider him a Triple-A player rather than a major leaguer. Hunter Jones and Dusty Brown probably
fit more into the category as Bates and Bell above - they could help, but the team isn't relying on it.
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Nick Green would have to be in the B Anderson category as someone who would be reliable MLB depth if he isn't on the BoSox roster (assuming he resigns with
the organization). They have serious issues with replacements at two of the most unsettled MLB spots, 3B and SS. As much as I want to love, and have loved
Bates, Jimenez and Daeges, they just don't have the tools to be above AAAA. Dubront on the other hand, coming
into his last option year, should be pushed to get a spot start at some point, or some LOOGY action in the Boston 'pen.
EDIT: Sorry, miscalculated
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Doubront is not coming into his last option year. He also fares better against righties over his career (about equal in 2009). So you can throw the LOOGY
thing out the door.
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There isn't anyone right now that has been mentioned in the fold for AAA that jumps out at you as being ready to hold down a job for an extended period of
time or push their way onto the roster. There's a clump, as mentioned, who can help for a quick stretch or provide some emergency depth, but the 25-man
roster isn't really getting pushed right now. However, I would add that even in recent years with the Sox having guys come up and end up sticking with the
major league team, it didn't necessarily appear that the player was going to do so heading into the proceeding off-season. I agree with the thoughts on
things being a little thinner at the top in terms of players being "major league ready," but as we have seen in the past with Ellsbury or Bard, guys
can take some pretty big steps over the course of the off-season and first month or so of the season that can change the landscape of the level of depth ready
to contribute.
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Arquimedez Bozo |
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I think this quote from Hazen in the Daeges article Mike linked to speaks to this discussion a bit:
"As a college kid, that had already done what he needed to do at Double-A, it was going to be now, at Triple-A, about getting the at-bats, and getting ready to be a major league protection player," Hazen said.(emphasis added) Sometimes, when we see a player like Daeges performing well in AA, we might be tempted to think, "wow, maybe this guy will be a Major Leaguer!", with "Major Leaguer" of course meaning starter once the Red Sox have a starting job open up. Fact is, some of these guys are viewed by the Sox as, in Hazen's words, "major league protection players", and probably not much more. From the list we've seen here, I'd put Daeges, Jimenez, Bates, Nava, and Bell in that category.
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I think Hazen actually means 40-man protection when he talks about a "major league protection player" as opposed to meaning a "major league
insurance player." I think your larger point still stands 100%, I'm just not sure Hazen would come out and call someone an insurance player, and I
don't think that's what he meant to expressly say here in regards to Daeges (although he might be thinking it).
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That was sort of a weird article.
Shame that Daeges had to miss an entire year, though if his injury would have been diagnosed earlier and he had been operated on in, say, May, he probably would still have missed most or all of the minor league season. He's had a lot of injury difficulties in his years in the organization. But Hazen's comments were really strange. He had proven what he needed to at AA, now it was just a matter of getting AB at AAA. The AB were exactly what he lost because of the injury. But his development wasn't hurt all that much?? Something seems contradictory here. I think Daeges' status is fairly clear at this point. He has definite defensive limitations, and there's only so much he can improve. He'll never play RF consistently for the Sox because that field in Fenway requires a plus defender. So it's hard for him to be a protection player except in LF, and extra OF generally need to be able to play both corner positions pretty well. He has no IF defense reputation that I am aware of. So unless he hits well enough to hold down the starting LF job, his real position is DH, and he may never hit for enough power to be considered good enough to fill that role in Boston. But is that really true?? If he showed he could hit .300+, OPS close to .400, and be a 15 HR/40+ doubles guy, could we live with him at DH?? It may depend on who fills the position slots in the lineup. Of course, having missed all of the injury time, he may never really be able to develop into that type of offensive force. But honestly, a couple of years ago I thought he had a reasonable possibility of being that type of hitter. As far as I can tell, the guy is a line-drive pull hitter, and if you are going to be a LH pull hitter in Fenway, that's the type of hitter you want to be. There are a lot of XBH to be had. |
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Arquimedez Bozo |
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soxprospects wrote:That would make sense.
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I lived with Luis Rivera as the SS; doesn't mean I want to live that way.
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soxprospects |
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How about Rey QuiƱones then?
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Lars and Rizzo have any shot at AAA this year coming?
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buffs44444 |
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Probably yes and most likely no.
Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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This is a very fluid scenario. Lars has been rated higher by BA and SP because of his pre '09 productivity. Rizzo has produced at A ball and is knocking
on the door at Portland.
At AAA the Sox have Aaron Bates who was moved to LF at times in Portland to accomodate Lars. I believe the ball is in Anderson's hand. If he gets off to a good start, he could be moved to Pawtucket with Bates finding something else to do (IB, LF, DH). This is one competition I am looking forward to this season. |
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