Place your vote for the player that you feel had the best offensive season in 2009. Please do not vote based on who you think is the best prospect or who you
think may perform better in the future. This poll will close on Tuesday, September 15, at 4:00 pm ET. All stats are cumulative for all Red Sox minor league
affiliates. Full stats are available here.
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2009 SoxProspects Offensive Player of the Year
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Posts: 6912 09/10/09 5:25 PM Mike Andrews |
Offensive Player of the Year: (Total Votes: 187) - ClosedDaniel Nava (Por/Sal) .352/.458/.533, 5 HR (45 / 24.1%) Chris Carter (Paw) .294/.358/.465, 16 HR (2 / 1.1%) Ryan Kalish (Por/Sal) .279/.364/.455, 18 HR (53 / 28.3%) Anthony Rizzo (Sal/Gre) .297/.368/.461, 12 HR (11 / 5.9%) Ryan Westmoreland (Low) .296/.401/.484, 7 HR (19 / 10.2%) Ryan Lavarnway (Gre) .285/.367/.540, 21 HR (57 / 30.5%) |
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Posts: 8520 09/10/09 6:27 PM Chris Hatfield |
Before you vote based solely on the slash line, please consider sample size. It's worth considering whether a guy put a line up over 5 months or 2.
"they should go to soxprospect so that BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - A SoxProspects.com
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Posts: 591 09/10/09 6:48 PM |
Went with Kalish. Higher level, better OBP, better defensive player, more swipes, and less Ks than Lavarnway.
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Posts: 34 09/10/09 7:15 PM |
Sample size duly considered, I still went with Nava. His production has been so incredibly and so consistently high-level throughout his tenure in the
organization that I couldn't discount it much. The fact that he leaped over the A+ to AA speedbump without slowing down a bit was impressive and his huge
BABIP has been so unvarying almost from day one I'm tempted to think that his true BABIP will always be well above average.
I love the borscht -- Beau Vaughan
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Posts: 45 09/10/09 7:33 PM |
Curll84 wrote:Um,offensive player of the year |
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Plantier Forever |
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Posts: 145 09/10/09 7:55 PM Veteran Member |
Westmoreland is the better prospect, but Nava's numbers are just silly. I wish him well and he gets my vote here.
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Forever Red 9 |
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Posts: 3165 09/10/09 8:44 PM
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Went with Nava. I tried to give it to a player with a full season, but Nava's OPS is just so far above everyone. Plus he had a 43/33 BB/K ratio. I'm
pretty surprised that Carter has gotten 0 votes, especially when his numbers are practically the same as Kalish. Kalish steals bases, but everything else is
quite similar.
The closeness of this poll will be interesting to follow. The winning player could end up with less than a third of the vote. |
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Posts: 15414 09/10/09 9:02 PM Jonathan |
I went with Lavarnway. His slugging was just as good as Nava's even if his overall OPS was not but he had 200 more at-bats than him and that was a huge
factor.
I'll be there, watching the Sox representation of mid-rotation starters. -TheGoldenGreek33 on Casey Kelly
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GuapoGuapo |
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Posts: 1058 09/10/09 9:26 PM |
Voted Kalish, though I thought Lavarnway, Westmoreland, and Nava also had good cases. I considered the player's position when evaluating their offensive
output.
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back2basix3593 |
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Posts: 47 09/10/09 9:47 PM |
WHY are we voting for nava ,I think we should consider sample size rather than the offensive line
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Posts: 3 09/10/09 10:51 PM |
I voted for Nava because in his 227 AB's this season he has been far and away the Sox best offensive performer. Anyone who uses sample size as an excuse to
discount Nava should be prohibited from voting for Westmoreland who had 4 less AB's....
Westmoreland and Kalish are the better prospects, because of age and develop potential, however this is in my understanding a question of who performed the best with the bat in the minors this year. In my eyes it is clearly Nava. One thing to note aside from the ridiculous OPS and K/BB (which Forever Red 9 called attention to), is with every promotion he has managed to increase his OBP. (A: .424 in 323AB's / A+: .434 in 109AB's / AA: .479 in 118AB's) With the recognition that Nava lacks 'projectability', even if all he ever is is what he is right now, that's nothing to sneeze at.
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back2basix3593 |
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Posts: 48 09/10/09 10:53 PM |
if you were calling me out i didn't vote for westmoreland I went with Lavarnway
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Posts: 8527 09/10/09 10:54 PM Chris Hatfield |
eyse, just a point to clarify, Nava was in A+ last year as well. Lancaster was Boston's high-A affiliate from '07 to '08.
"they should go to soxprospect so that BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - A SoxProspects.com
Legend
"Most people in my country say who the f*ck is dusty Brown and Who are the Pawsox you freak and what does hit 270 mean" - LondonSox |
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Posts: 4 09/10/09 11:01 PM |
No offense intended, back2basix... I just thought it was a relevant comparison. (I WAS strongly considering Westmoreland)
AB- Point taken. I should have recognized that. However, the trend of consistent improvement remains the same. |
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Posts: 451 09/10/09 11:30 PM |
Kalish- sample size and overall performance is why he gets my vote. Nava and Westy weren't in my running. Kalish edges Lavarnway because he brought more
all around to the table.
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Posts: 950 09/11/09 12:17 AM Veteran Member |
I voted for Kalish. Twenty-one years old, brings speed and defense to the game, has made it to AA and has started dominating there. His OPS numbers over the
last few months say it all:
He also has the best plate discipline in the organization, Westmoreland perhaps excepted. What's more, he came all the way back from an injury which sapped just about all his power last year and early in this one. He's next in line for a starting job in the majors at this point. |
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Posts: 9 09/11/09 6:05 AM |
Expo.
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Posts: 332 09/11/09 6:46 AM |
Couldn't resist going with Rizzo and the feel good story. Probably doesn't deserve the vote, but what a great story it is!
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Posts: 9 09/11/09 7:55 AM |
Went with Nava because I just cant ignore the numbers overall. Not to discount any of the other players becasue they have all had a great year. As Red Sox fans
we are lucky to have all of them in our system. Good luck next year guys!
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ghostfacesoxfan |
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Posts: 17 09/11/09 1:37 PM |
Question: If we are supposed to ignore prospect status, should we account for age relative to league, or ignore that as well?
Aside from being a massive Rizzo fanboy, what strikes me is the level of success he has had when he has been roughly a year to two-and-a-half years below the average age for his league. I'm just not sure information like that is worth ignoring; I'm not sure it plays into "prospect status" as much as it should be accounted for as "indicator of success". I don't think I'm conflating the issues, because it seems logical that slightly less gaudy numbers against advanced competition should be more impressive than blowing out players who are several years younger than you, even in a one-year time-frame. For those running this or having voted in these awards several times, how should it be taken into account? To wit, taking into account age relative to league: In high A, Rizzo, who missed qualifying for league leaderboards due to # of PA's since promotion, would have ended the season 2nd in AVG, 6th in OBP, 15th in SLG, and 8th in OPS, all while being 19 for most of the season (turned 20 in Early August). Of the other players who would have finished ahead of Rizzo in OPS, the youngest was 10 months older, and 4 of 7 were 3+ years older than Rizzo. In low A, where Rizzo's OPS would have held up at 9th in the league, he was at least younger by 6 months than any of the other leaders, and in most cases, several years younger. |
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Posts: 1049 09/11/09 3:26 PM
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That was pretty much my reasoning.
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