Dude... He's a kid, he ain't a player just yet.
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What about Rizzo?
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Posts: 158 08/04/09 3:40 PM |
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edwardcc |
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Posts: 346 08/04/09 4:45 PM |
AMarshal2 wrote: Yeah, I thought the quotes were fairly generalized. Talking specifically about the above quote, can't that be said about almost anyone in professional baseball. I did like the part about him being the best defensive 1st baseman in the Carolina League. |
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Arquimedez Bozo |
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Posts: 7957 08/04/09 7:56 PM Chris Hatfield |
11mikem wrote:We heard after he left the game on the 29th that he had back stiffness. |
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Steve Dillard |
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Posts: 1051 08/04/09 8:04 PM |
Red Sox first baseman Anthony Rizzo singled in his first at-bat of the day and finished 1-1 at the plate, but he was removed from the game after three innings
due to back stiffness. Salem manager Chad Epperson did not seem overly concerned after the game and classified the ailment as day-to-day.
http://delmarva.shorebirds.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090729&content_id=6137328&vkey=news_t414&fext=.jsp&sid=t414 |
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ancientsoxfogey |
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Posts: 4014 08/04/09 10:00 PM Veteran Member |
Yes, but .......
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SouthSox |
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Posts: 3 08/05/09 1:36 AM |
I saw him play a lot in Greenville this year and a couple of games in Salem last month. He's solid. Good plate discipline. Covers both sides of the plate
but doesn't chase balls. Has good power, but not a fast baserunner. Good defense. Nothing flashy but solid reliable fielding.
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jr russo |
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Posts: 15 08/07/09 2:06 PM |
I just bought the new issue of Baseball Amercia and they have a nice article about the kid. Its the section that they talk about AAA, then AA,then A ball. They
break down the standings and always talk about something that's going on. I thought everyone would appreciate it. I always buy the magazine to check out
Boston stuff.
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ancientsoxfogey |
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Posts: 4132 08/18/09 2:49 PM Veteran Member |
Just one note about Rizzo and his cancer situation, which I learned from having my son go through it: This site mentions that Rizzo was declared cancer-free
last November, and I can tell you that that term is the correct one to describe Rizzo's health status 6 months after diagnosis. It sounds very positive,
but the term "cancer-free" is actually a less definitive statement about state of health than "in remission." I couldn't believe that
when I first heard it. "Cancer-free" sounds better, to be sure. It sounds like "there's no cancer", while "in remission"
sounds like "the cancer's been beaten down, but may still be lurking and can return someday".
But the explanation I got is that "cancer-free" is a determination that no cancer is detected at a particular point in time, "in remission" is one's status if no evidence of cancer reappears in repeated tests over a period of time. Apparently that period of time varies with type of cancer, and I don't know what it is for Hodgkins Lymphoma (I don't even know what it is for my son's non-Hodgkins Lymphoma). If anyone in this forum ever hears or sees information that Rizzo's status is "in remission," that is an important milestone that is worthy of note in Rizzo's descriptive summary. I am not going to assess Rizzo's prospect status at this time, other than to say he's far exceeded any expectations that anyone could reasonably have had for him this year. South's description "he's solid" is IMO apt for what we have seen Rizzo do this year without any consideration of his health status, but I prefer to withhold any descriptions until he gets a chance to show what he can do in the second year out from intensive treatment. It could well be that we will be using more enthusiastic descriptors of him a year from now. I don't know whether or not Rizzo is still in chemotherapy treatment. My son still is, on a "maintenance" routine that consists of a chemo pill daily and a chemo injection every 3 months (he had his first post-intensive injection a couple of weeks ago). Much, much lower doses than his 6-month intensive treatment, of course, but still chemotherapy. He will be continuing that for 2 years. So for all I know, Rizzo is still in a form of cancer treatment. How much a maintenance level of chemotherapy may affect strength and baseball performance I have no idea. My son is planning to resume playing baseball this fall in his over-30 league. I'll be interested to see where he stands physically.
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LondonSox |
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Posts: 236 08/19/09 8:06 AM |
All the best for your son ASF, but I think this is a very good post. Rizzo is doing pretty well / solid for ANYONE. LEt alone someone who has been through what
he has in the last year.
Next year is the year he should be starting to get back to 100%, and if this is 75/80% then that is exciting indeed. |
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ghostfacesoxfan |
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Posts: 14 08/19/09 9:20 AM |
I had written a sizable response to ASF, based on a discussion I had of the very determinations he was using, with an oncologist at the hospital, and likely on
the team, that treated Rizzo. That post, however, went into the great internet beyond when it was decided I was not logged in.
Suffice it to say, if, as it is believed, that Rizzo had limited-stage Hodgkins (caught early, not a lot of tumors/masses), then he would have had 4 months of relatively-light chemotherapy, that young, fit people often tolerate well, and then either 2 months of directed radiation, or two more months of chemo. There is no follow-up drug, or treatment with Hodgkins. The doctor also said, that as with all chemotherapy, it can be 6 months to a year until you regain energy and stamina that you had previously. We should also remember that like Lester before him, Rizzo is still young enough to be gaining strength through natural growth, and that process can be delayed while the body recuperates from chemotherapy. |
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ancientsoxfogey |
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Posts: 4140 08/19/09 10:16 AM Veteran Member |
Thanks for the info, GFSF. The difference between Rizzo/Lester and my son, of course, is that they were late teens/early 20's when diagnosed, where my son
was coming up on 36 - a much rarer time to get the disease. Lester's lymphoma was Hodgkins as well, I believe. My son is doing well, continues cancer-free
and back to normal activity. All indications are that his cancer was caught early as well. Really, in a certain sense I'm sitting around waiting for cancer
to strike me. My parents both died of it, my mother-in-law has had it, 3 of my father's siblings and 3 of my mother's siblings had it, my wife just had
carcinoma removed, my son's just had a bout -- it's a puzzle to me why I HAVEN'T been afflicted. Of course, something could be brewing for all I
know and I'm just not aware of it yet.
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ghostfacesoxfan |
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Posts: 15 08/19/09 10:41 AM |
Well that's a positive mindset . . . . I guess . . .
Not to disagree again, but Lester had a type of B-Cell Lymphoma, which is not in the Hodgkin's class. The "Cure" rate for limited stage Hodgkin's, like Rizzo likely had, can be as high as 85-90% depending on risk factors, which revolve around a bunch or arbitrary side-symptoms we may never know about (location of tumors, night sweats or rapid weight loss prior to diagnosis, etc.). That would mean that this thing can be beaten into remission an is highly unlikely to ever come back. Pretty cool. |
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ancientsoxfogey |
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Posts: 4144 08/19/09 12:37 PM Veteran Member |
That's all right Ghost, I was going from my [admittedly faulty at times] recollection, and if you have the facts, report them.
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ghostfacesoxfan |
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Posts: 16 09/02/09 10:08 PM |
Bump.
Rizzo is 2/5, K tonight (9/2), raising his AVG to .296, and his OBP to ~.375 in just over 200 PA's in High-A. SLG is down from Low A, especially since he came back from whatever minor injury he had (He slugged under .350 in August). BB/AB and BB/K are better than in Low A, and he seems to be well offensively equipped for the league; if he qualified, his AVG would be tied for the league lead, his OBP would be around 6th, and his ~.770 OPS would put his just outside the league top 10. Keeping in mind that he's about 2 1/2 years below mean age for High A, per the age advancement chart, that it's 200 PA's and he'd likely be splitting time at 1b and DH with Lars, I don't think I'm going to start stumping for Rizzo to jump to AA at the beginning of next year, but with any decent start to '10, he'd have to be in line for promotion within the 2 months to half-season, or is something like the relative lack of power since his promotion (14 XBH's in High A) something that the organization would want to significantly slow him up for and have him develop? EDIT: I realize that last part is a huge run-on sentence, but I'm amazed that I posted something so Joyce-ian, so I'm leaving it be. Just know that I know.
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Arquimedez Bozo |
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Posts: 8446 09/03/09 12:25 PM Chris Hatfield |
Ben Badler with a nice little piece on Rizzo's fielding on the BA Prospect blog: link
"He's the best I've seen," Epperson said. "By far the best I've ever seen. He has a tremendous feel not only for the glove but the footwork and being in spots-it's off the charts. He's going to be a future gold glover for many years. He puts just as much work into his glove as he does with the bat. He just makes everything look easy. A tick above-average play is a routine play for him." |
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cwaaa |
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Posts: 664 09/03/09 2:02 PM |
Arquimedez Bozo wrote:Wow. Great news. Considering his age, Rizzo's floor has gotta be Casey Kotchman right now, but I think he could be pretty special. It was less than a year ago that this kid was getting poison pumped into his body. I'm confident the power'll come.
"I mean Enrique Gonzalez is such a good and useful pitcher for the Sox, right? That's a rheotorical question, he's not." -CZink, in a fit of
rage about his boy being passed over for yet another start.
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Posts: 6156 09/03/09 6:54 PM
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Rizzo vs. Lars
Age 18 Rizzo (A) 83AB, .373/.402/.446/.848, 15/3 K/BB Age 19 Rizzo (A/A+) 424AB, .297/.369/.453/.822, 95/48 K/BB (through 9/2) Lars (A) 458AB, .288/.385/.443/.828, 112/71 K/BB (did not count A+) Age 20 Lars (A+/AA) 439AB, .317/.417/.517/.934, 107/75 K/BB Age 21 Lars (AA) 428AB, .241/.331/.357/.688, 108/57 K/BB (through 9/2) What seems most likely is for Rizzo to start in Salem and Lars in Portland, with both getting promotions around Memorial Day. First Basemen in the system (2010) AAA - Bates (Natale/MLFA) AA - Anderson (Jones) A+ - Rizzo (Keowen) A - McGuiness (Hedman) R/A - B.Monoroa (Lora) Pretty strong list. EDIT: Fixed Lars years per AB's post.
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Arquimedez Bozo |
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Posts: 8451 09/03/09 7:42 PM Chris Hatfield |
Amfox, you've got Lars' seasons a year behind. He's 21 this year, was 20 last year, etc.
Are you projecting Weeden to be cut? |
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buffs44444 |
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Posts: 1101 09/03/09 7:51 PM |
Off topic on Lars, but he really need to get the F out of Portland. Bates is a nice player, but he's not the type of player who should be blocking Lars
from getting a change of scenery.....and Lars really needs that change of scenery.
On topic....fantastic news on Rizzo. He was my darkhorse coming into the year, and I'm hopeful for continued improvement given the recovery stories shared by ASF and ghost. Keep going kid, you've got an ever expanding group of fans cheering you on.
Madness is like gravity....all you need is a little push.
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Steve of Charlotte |
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Posts: 434 09/03/09 7:51 PM |
Seen them both several times. As much as I like Lars.....I love Rizzo! This kid will hit 30+ one season (or more) in the bigs. If he wasn't healthy
this year, watch out world.
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