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Arquimedez Bozo |
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It really depends on the machine, but some Smith bars weigh 15 or 25 lbs even after the counter balance and all, while others are zero. I wouldn't be too
disheartened Chach. There's also the fact that you're doing somewhat of a different exercise - keeping the bar on that track makes the exercise
different, if only slightly. It's like doing bench with dumbbells instead of a bar - you're not necessarily going to do the exact same weight.
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Chach Collins |
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I didn't see a "No Lunking" sign. Dare I ask what it means?
Barbell bench presses were never my strong suit because of my right shoulder mobility. It's still a little tense. If I went to the gym regularly, I am sure I would build it up quickly. The positive note to take out of that was the last time I used the Smith machine to do a bench press, I could only do 150 pounds so things have obviously improved. The fact that I can deadlift 300 pounds and actually do pull-ups now shows I have made progress. mahalo ~Chach~
Nesportsfan: I couldn't go to FaF for fear of getting killed by Chach.
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klostrophobic |
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There's a lunk alarm at my planet fitness. No grunting or anything like that or the alarm goes off. I've never seen it go off.
They also misspell judgment, which is pretty funny because it's just everywhere in the gym. "JUDGEMENT FREE ZONE!" Also, they have barbells at my gym. Seems perfectly fine to me.
Postponed: Wind
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MLBDreams |
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I'm curious about anyone ever used P90X (Extreme home fitness training system) at home? It was shown as promotional workouts that been seen on ESPN TV in
early weekend mornings (6 AM-10 AM). Is that good as adversed? Is it better than workouts at the local gym such as Gold Gym, Planet Fitness, etc?
I've been long time membership of Gold Gym for workouts but I need to get slim abs (was too lazy for that) as the guys from Day 1. |
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Cem21 |
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Long time listener, first time caller...I go to WOW. $19.99 a month and I got them to waive the joining fee by signing someone else up too. Suits my needs.
I've been a member of other gyms like World Gym, Gold's Gym, and BSC to name a few, and WOW has been on par in my experience.
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Beat UM and UF |
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Nothing pisses me off more than 3 women standing in front of all the dumbells using 5 pounders doing every exercise imagineable in one gigantic set.
15 curls, 15 front raises, 15 shoulder presses, 15 more curls, 15 hammer curls, 15 more shoulder presses... and then they just stand there and talk to each other with no regard for the fact that they are in everybody's way. |
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raftsox |
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Ask them to move Beat.
Chach, Lunking also applies dropping your weights too loudly. Some places are rumored to have kicked people out for performing deadlifts regularly; ie letting the weights hit the floor after each rep. How are you doing your deads now? Sumo or traditional? I used to do Sumo style a lot and was able to lift crazy weight for my size (455 max) and loved going in for deads. I've switched it up in the last 2 or so years to traditional style and I really struggle with good sets of 275, so I hate doing deads. I know for my goals traditional style is more beneficial, but since I hate them I'm really considering going back to sumo style deads. You guys have all these friggen gyms down there. I don't have one within half an hour of my house (28 miles to be precise) which happens to be the opposite direction from work. There also isn't a single chain gym that I've ever seen in the states. Aside from a Y in NC a few years ago, I've never lifted in a chain gym. It wasn't too bad aside from having only one squat rack. MLBD, it doesn't matter what program you use. DIETING is the key to losing body fat. You have to eat a very very clean diet that gradually decreases the amount of calories you ingest over a period of 2-3 months. During that time you can incorporate a more cardio-intense workout into your routine, but just changing the workout routine you use won't help you lose anything more than 1-2% body fat. I'll try to remember to post up an example of my last diet when I get the chance.
I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head.
... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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Chach Collins |
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Fuck that. They can go to hell and die and I want to lunk to my heart's content. I did traditional when I was a gym goer and i did them recently. I think
it was a movie I was watching with Gray Cook about movement screening and muscle imbalances where he said that they train squatting with the narrowest foot
placement possible. The reason being is that if you can do a squat with your feet a foot apart, you can do it two feet apart. But you are going to have a
tougher time going inward. That's why I do traditional, I know that if I find a heavier weight and need to spread my feet out more that I can do it. If I
did deadlifts more often (like having the weights, like when I join the crossfit gym), I will probably mix them up for variety's sake but I end up doing a
lot of sumo deadlifting at work so I already get some of the mixing. I'm thinking of buying a bench press and some weight to do dead lifts and benches when
I get my own apartment. Might be tough if I'm not on the first floor. I'm also going to have a heavy bag if I have a basement I can put it in so I
don't know if I will have the space. mahalo
~Chach~
Nesportsfan: I couldn't go to FaF for fear of getting killed by Chach.
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Arquimedez Bozo |
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Found this article in
the NYT about barefoot/nearly barefoot running and figured I'd pass it along.
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Beat UM and UF |
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I'm trying a new scheme for my chest day, doing sets of 3, then sets of 2, with the hopes of increasing my max.
My chest is really the only body part where I care more about strength than looks, well that and my back. My friend started a routine that is like this: deadlifts 2x5 bench 2x5 weighted pullups 2x5 ab rollers 1x5 kettlebell swings 2x5 He does this every day for 40 days. What do you guys think? The philosophy is that you don't get sore since you only do 2 sets, and he has gotten better with his lifts so it has been working. Think it worth a try? You obviously don't need to go for the whole 40 days, he's getting tired of it and said he will only go 21 days at most. |
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Chach Collins |
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Eh, I dislike the idea of only two doing sets. The GtG/Pavel Protocol I've talked about here says you're supposed to do it the other way. The rationale
is that you lift more weight total by dropping the poundage a bit and doing multiple low rep sets. By only doing two sets, if he really wants to get a good
work-out and see results, he is going to have to go with a heavy weight total. This is probably going to lead to muscle soreness and he is going to overtrain
the muscles. Really, lifting for 40 days straight is just a dumb idea. I think the though process, by lifting everyday he is going to see a high weight moved
total by weeks end but even using the GtG methodology, 21 days in a row is brutal and probably counter productive. Even if my hands didn't tear from
snatches, I could only do 4 or 5 days in a row tops. I dunno, if its working for him then great. It sounds like its sort of related to the GtG idea so I could
see how it works but I just don't know how effective and efficient it is going to be. mahalo
~Chach~
Nesportsfan: I couldn't go to FaF for fear of getting killed by Chach.
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Arquimedez Bozo |
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Agreed. I'm a big fan of working the shit out of a muscle group, one day a week, or if you want to do a circuit, doing it 3 or 4 times a week and really
busting your ass. Giving your muscles time to recover allows your body to repair the muscle tears from a workout. You may see gains working out every day -
doesn't mean the gains wouldn't be better if you recover.
And as far as doing a circuit like the one you list, you'd probably want to go something like three sets (rotations) of 8 or so reps. Think about it - what's the point of doing five ab rollers, total, in a workout? 10 reps of bench, total? It doesn't make a ton of sense to me. The fact is, if you're not getting at least a little sore, you're not getting any gains. If part of your reasoning behind doing a workout is to not get sore, then you're being counter-productive. Lack of soreness = maintenance workout, tops. Also, everything I've ever read or heard about lifting leads to about a five-rep set being the lowest to go, unless you're doing some kind of tiered workout where you start with more reps and go down or something like that, like burning out. But again, I agree with Chach, drop the weight and do more reps. |
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Beat UM and UF |
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He's actually taking a day off every 3 or 4 days or so.
He's getting the deadlift battle scars that the weight room attendant at our gym has - gashes up the shins, and marks on the inside of the wrist where the wrist scrapes against the outside of the thighs on the way up. Skin on skin contact leaving a mark... just painful. |
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raftsox |
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If you're interested in truly improving strength you shouldn't go to a full body regimen; the primary reason being that you don't stress the muscle
groups enough. IMO a full body routine should only be used for maintenance, endurance training or cariovascular weight training. I would also suggest that
you do not combine major muscle groups like back and chest; you'll either under train one or both, or over train one or both. From a general standpoint
it's very difficult to strength train just one or two select body parts because your legs play a huge role in deadlifts, your shoulders play a large role
in presses, etc. The body is too interconnected to isolate strength training in such a generic fashion as your friend is doing.
My suggestion would be to follow this split: legs, chest, off day, back, shoulders and calves, off day, repeat. Legs day: Squats. 2 good warmup sets, 3 reps, 5 reps, 7 reps, 9 reps, 7 reps, 5 reps. Weighted crunches. 5 sets, 15-20 reps. Romanian Deadlifts. 1 good warmup set, 5 reps, 8 reps, 12 reps, 5 reps. Glute-Ham Raises. As many sets to failure as you can do, continue doing sets until you cannot do one rep! (This is a great exercise if done properly) Chest day: Flat Barbell Press w/chains. 2 good warmup sets, 3 reps, 5 reps, 7 reps, 5 reps. Weighted Dips. 8 reps, 10 reps, 8 reps. Hanging Leg Raises. 4 sets, 10-15 reps. Flat Dumbell presses from the ground. (To perform these lie down on the ground; the object is to strengthen the upper half of your rep which is generally the weakest part.) 3 reps, 4 reps, 6 reps. Back day: Warm up with light sets of low cable rows followed by light sets of pull downs. Traditional Deadlift (ie, legs slightly wider than shoulder width, grip at leg width). 3 reps, 4 reps, 5 reps, 6 reps, 4 reps. Hang Cleans. 3 reps, 5 reps, 7 reps, 3 reps. Wide grip Pullups. 2 sets to failure with weight, 2 sets to failure without weight. Shoulders and Calves day: Do lots of warmup stretches and lifts!!!!!! Rotator cuff exercises followed by several light sets of overhead presses. Split Jerks. 3 reps, 5 reps, 7 reps, 5 reps. Smith Machine Calf Extensions. 2 good warmup sets, 8 reps, 12 reps, 8 reps, 6 reps. Dumbell Military Press (wrists start supinated and end pronated). 4 reps, 6 reps, 8 reps, 4 reps. Oblique crunches. 5 sets 12-15 reps. It's perfectly acceptable to go lower than 5 reps if your goal is to build strength, but you absolutely must maintain strict form on every rep or you will hurt yourself. Also, if you find yourself too tired to get a good lift in, then take an extra day off; lifting very heavy when you're tired is a bad idea. On your off days, try to be as inactive as possible and to eat as much quality food as you can.
I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head.
... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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southernredsoxality |
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MLBDreams wrote:I have a friend who got ripped with P90X so yea, it does work. However, P90X is not some top secret workout like they would like you to believe, it works though because it is extremely intense (hence X). You workout two different muscle groups every other day for an hour and let them rest for the remainder of the week, except abs which you do every other day. If you're serious about working out and have no problem putting in some hard work, then the program will take you where you wanna go. So to answer your question, yes it works, but it depends what you put into it. If you want it, send me a pm and I'll show you how to get it for free. "Being Scandinavian myself, I can tell you that Lars is the name of the mythological Norse God of Batting." Drew (Pacific Prospect Report) |
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Beat UM and UF |
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raftsox wrote: 2 questions 1. Why not lump calves in with legs? 2. No tricep exercises? Also... glute ham raises... these must be done with a partner, right? At my HS we figured out a way to do them using a bench and the lat pulldown machine, but that is not practical to do in other gyms. |
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raftsox |
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I don't like to do calves with legs: it's just personal preference. But, seeing as how I'm a moron that forgot to put arm exercises in I'll
ammend the routine a bit.
I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head.
... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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Beat UM and UF |
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What do you like to do with the amount of weight used in this program?
For instance: "2 good warmup sets, 3 reps, 5 reps, 7 reps, 5 reps. " Say my max is 230 and my 5 rep max is 210 Or do you keep the weight the same? |
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raftsox |
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Couldn't tell you exact weights since I've never done that particular program. (I actually just made it up earlier today.)
Typically a warmup set will be with 25-40% of your 1 rep max. To extrapolate: 85, 215, 205, 195, 200. The warmup set could be 95 since that would be easier to put on a bar if you wanted. The weights should be adjustable for your own strength. If you want a baseline set of numbers though try this formula [in excel]: 3 reps = ceiling(max*.92,5) 4 reps = ceiling(max*.90,5) 5 reps = ceiling(max*.88,5) 6 reps = ceiling(max*.86,5) 7 reps = ceiling(max*.84,5) etc. for the "upwards pyramid" for the "downwards pyramid": X reps = ceiling(X reps up pyramid weight *.96,5)
I am speechless. ...this site is not intended to be a place where you post every ridiculous and half-formed thought that comes into your head.
... You should post less. - AMarshal2
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Arquimedez Bozo |
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See, the split I've had good success with was chest/tris, legs/calves/abs, cardio, shoulders/calves/abs, back/biceps, cardio, cardio. The theory is that
chest/tris and back/bis are complementary muscle groups, and most compound exercises that work one at least work the other as a secondary muscle (think dips,
bench vs. narrow-grip bench in the former and seated rows/lat pulldowns in the latter case).
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