RedSoxFan2 wrote:
What's worse, a player gambling that he'll lose and attempt to throw a game or someone breaking "sacred records" that are thought to be impossible to break while "clean"?
What's worse, trying too hard to win, or trying to lose?
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Posts: 13 07/27/09 3:58 PM |
What's worse, trying too hard to win, or trying to lose? |
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Posts: 185 07/27/09 4:14 PM |
I have thought he has been allowed in the Hall of Fame since I first learned of his ban. I'm 19 so this has been going one since before i was born? I
think. The man played the game with a heart, hustle and passion that very few athletes even come close to today. The man gave it everything he had everyday he
came to play. He is the all-time hits leader, honor the man and give him when he worked so hard for. He deserves it I think!
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Posts: 139 07/27/09 4:20 PM |
SoxSail wrote:I was not aware that anyone had accused Rose of betting against the Reds, or throwing games, or anything of the sort... My opinion is that if a transgression affects what happens on the field of play (PED's, throwing a game, etc), then it should affect HoF consideration. I don't think the HoF should be about someone's character or ethics. |
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Posts: 73 07/27/09 4:33 PM |
In part, the HOF rules state that..."voting shall be based upon the individual's record, ability, INTEGRITY, SPORTSMANSHIP, CHARACTER, and
contributions to the game." Yup, intergrity sportsmanship and character does count. It has been established that Pete Rose did bet on his own team. If
intergrity and sportsmanship include cheating, and if steroid use is considered cheating, then those guys should not get in. The players are the last ones to
ask because they only care about numbers, not the game itself.
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Posts: 64 07/27/09 5:16 PM |
What has changed since he was banned? Apart from Bart Giamatti's passing, which is I guess the key factor, as it was my impression that Giamatti meant the
ban was for Rose's lifetime, not Giamatti's.
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ancientsoxfogey |
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Posts: 3934 07/28/09 9:13 AM Veteran Member |
Well, then, I guess Ty Cobb ought to be removed.
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Posts: 27 07/28/09 10:31 AM |
Ive always thought that he wasn't going to the HOF for being a manager that bet on the game, but as a player who played hard every day. I agree that if he
does go in there should be no mention of him managing in the HOF and he shouldnt be allowed to manage again. Its somewhat similiar to say a guy like Barry
Bonds. I wouldn't want him in the Hall for being a player because of the steroids, but I would have no problem with him going as a HOF Manager (if he were
to manage and do well enough to get into Cooperstown.) I realize they are very different whereas one broke a rule as a player and the other as a manager, but
its the best comparison Ive got.
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Posts: 74 07/28/09 12:36 PM |
You can't remove a guy after the fact. It's like if you do something bad in college, they can throw you out. But if you do something bad after you
get your degree, they can't take it back.
I don't know what the rules were when Ty Cobb got in. They might have changed. But I do know what the rules are now and the bettors and the cheaters clearly break the rules, as written. Bud Selig has always been a whimp and will probably cave in. Bart knew the right thing to do and it's a shame he's still not the commish. The steroid guys wouldn't have a chance. |
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RedSoxFan2 |
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Posts: 674 07/28/09 2:53 PM |
So if Pete Rose got caught after he got in, that would be perfectly fine?
Marge: Homer, the plant called. They said if you don't show up tomorrow don't bother showing up on Monday.
Homer: Woo-hoo. Four-day weekend. |
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