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It is a little odd that Iglesias was recently described as a guy who would have been a second or third-round talent had he been in the draft and is now linked
to an eight million dollar bonus. One (or both) of those things is obviously incorrect.
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TheGoldenGreek33 |
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I'd say the latter. An all-glove, no-bat shortstop won't be getting $8M. My guess is he signs for something in the $500k range.
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CWebb6 |
Jose Iglesias | #203 | ||
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According to Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated, the Red Sox are in serious talks with highly coveted Cuban shortstop Jose Iglesias. It states that if finalized
the deal will be worth about $8 million.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/07/03/redsox.iglesias/ |
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TheGoldenGreek33 |
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I call his bluff.
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left coast bosox fan |
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Posts: 3074 07/03/09 6:12 PM Veteran Member |
Considering the source and the topic, no need for a separate thread.
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templeUsox |
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People understand that he's a FA and is not subject to draft slot regulations, right? Dayan Viciedo was Igleisas' age when he defected and he got a 4
year/10 million dollar contract.
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nheck |
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norbit14 wrote:I wonder if Scott Boras is his agent for Heyman to be spreading that much love around.
I once lost a bet on who would have the highest season SLG% because of a scorer. The guy I had a bet with had a clear error ruled a double in
the last game of the season and it was the margin of victory.
It was amateur baseball and normally not something you would remember but in this case, the bet was who was going to ask a hot chick named Brin out after she lost her loser boyfriend. The other guy won, she broke up with her bf and he took her out. A year later they got married. Did I mention that she was hot, very hot ? Oh yeah, the official scorer was the other guys mother. I hate official scorers. - LCBF |
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SoxScout |
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nheck wrote:Jaime Torres is his agent, a Miami based guy that has represented many Cuban defectors. |
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BLumbergh |
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templeUsox wrote: Yes, but draft slot regulations don't distort the market so much that a 2nd or 3rd rounder would get $8 mill absent them. |
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Lippa91 |
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BLumbergh wrote: No, but being a draftee that can only negotiate with one team does. Slotting isn't the issue, free agency is.
"There's a reason why you wear this Red Sox uniform. Because
you're a bad mother#@%&$." -- David Ortiz
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templeUsox |
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BLumbergh wrote:How in the world would we know how it distorts the market? From the evidence here, it might. |
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Quintanariffic |
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Lippa91 wrote:Bingo.
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BLumbergh |
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templeUsox wrote:Common sense? Take, for instance, Alex Meyer. Dude was, by consensus, at least a late first round talent. Sox offered him $2 mill, give or take, and refused to go above that, presumably because that was their valuation of what he's worth. If the true value of a second or third rounder is $8 million, it would be economically retarded for them to cap their offer at $2 million (and no, I don't think the bogeyman of Bud Selig explains this; it was an economic decision). In fact, their entire approach to the draft would make no sense if the real value of these kids was 10 orders of magnitude or more above what they pay them. All of the economic incentives would favor more investment in the draft -- an insanely efficient use of money, were this true -- and less in international free agency. It does not pass the straight face test that a second-rounder would ever be worth $8 million, or anything close to that. Or, to go a simpler route, PhillySoxFan calculated the value of first round draft picks and while I can't remember what the number he arrived at was, it was something like $2.5 mill. Mind you -- this is not what people paid; it's what the picks were worth based on their production. Jose Iglesias is either a) a hell of a lot better than a second or third round talent, or b) getting a hell of a lot less than $8 million. |
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norbit14 |
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I like how people get worked up with a rumor that hasn't even been confirm. I can guarantee you that if he gets $8 mill the sox don't think he is the
equivalent of a 3rd round pick.
Am Dominican and you?? |
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templeUsox |
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BLumbergh wrote:1. All those valuations by the Sox are made within the classic slotting paradigm. The Sox realize they have much more to lose down the line if they give Alex Meyer 8 million dollars, that it's worth foregoing his talent. They don't want every high upside prep arm around the country asking for top 1 money because they know they can get it. Do you think the White Sox would argue to you that Dayan Viciedo was an unprecedented talent? Of course not. They knew there would be competition for his services and therefore knew the market would shift up. 2. Whatever the average value of a first rounder is, it's very tenuous. A) The value of a player has shifted, up and down, drastically over the course of this decade. B) A team who can convert a prospect to a player at a higher rate will value prospects more. 3. A) He might be better than a 2nd or 3rd round talent. That description of him did not come from anyone with credibility, just posters who don't know what they are talking about. B) He probably is getting less than 8 million dollars. |
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edwardcc |
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The Sox did give a bad glove, weak hitting shortstop 36 million. I know it is neither relevant nor a fair statement but I couldn't resist.
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Teddyballgame |
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I've been on these pages, reading what you guys have written, for a couple of years now. It's been enjoyable and thoroughly
informative. I thought I'd jump in and start actively participating, instead of lurking in the background.
Last Edited By: Teddyballgame 07/04/09 10:35 AM.
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boomshakalaka |
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Well then, I thought Sano was suppose to be the highest paid short stop? I didn't think Iglesias was rated higher than him. If the red sox are prepared to
offer that type of money as printed by a couple different media outlets, why not go after Sano, who is (hopefully) 3 years younger??
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TokenWilliams |
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Welcome, Teddy - thank you for the info...
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nheck |
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No one expects Sano to remain at shortstop, not even his people is pimping that chance.
I once lost a bet on who would have the highest season SLG% because of a scorer. The guy I had a bet with had a clear error ruled a double in
the last game of the season and it was the margin of victory.
It was amateur baseball and normally not something you would remember but in this case, the bet was who was going to ask a hot chick named Brin out after she lost her loser boyfriend. The other guy won, she broke up with her bf and he took her out. A year later they got married. Did I mention that she was hot, very hot ? Oh yeah, the official scorer was the other guys mother. I hate official scorers. - LCBF |
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