Lowell to Rangers trade falls through http://forum-soxprospects.com/topic/5310/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html en-us Copyright 2006, Kickapps feeds@kickapps.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@kickapps.com (WebMaster) Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:45:48 GMT Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:11:25 GMT Kickapps Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://kickapps.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://kickapps.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://kickapps.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215727/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215727 Pantera wrote:
templeUsox wrote:
You aren't allowed to trade a player on the DL.
Jake Peavy says........yes you are. I believe, like situations involving the exchange of more than $1 million, it simply requires league approval.

]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Yirmiyahu) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215727 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:11:25 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215721/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215721 templeUsox wrote:
You aren't allowed to trade a player on the DL.

Jake Peavy says........yes you are. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Pantera) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215721 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:42:05 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215712/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215712
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/rosenthal-lowell-finished-in-boston

Prediction: Mike Lowell will never play another game for the Red Sox.

If the relationship between the player and team is not beyond repair, it's pretty close.

The Red Sox obviously do not want Lowell playing third base for them next season. In fact, they have not wanted Lowell from roughly the time he underwent surgery on his right hip after the 2008 season
Releasing Lowell would be too extreme; he is popular in Boston and still productive offensively, particularly at Fenway Park. But the Sox eventually will complete the kind of deal they tried to make with the Rangers, paying most of Lowell's salary to make him disappear.
]]> feeds@kickapps.com (jdb) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215712 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:53:25 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215710/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215710 feeds@kickapps.com (GuapoGuapo) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215710 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:35:01 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215707/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215707 plantiermania wrote:
I blame Theo & Co. for not forcing him to have his thumb examined at the end of the season. The whole thing just feels sloppy. Taking a player's word for it isn't enough. It should be standard protocol to have all injuries examined or re-examined at the start of the off-season, no?


The Sox had to have known there was an issue with his thumb, but either didn't think it would hold up a deal or didn't think surgery was necessary. They benched him at the end of the season because of the thumb, so obviously they knew there was an issue. The Rangers obviously believed that Lowell would be useless without the surgery. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (mredsox89) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215707 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:31:56 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215706/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215706 needed surgery? The Rangers on the other hand did so until the injury is addressed then no team is going to want to trade for Lowell.
]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Rdsxmbnt1) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215706 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:24:15 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215703/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215703 feeds@kickapps.com (mastaexarkun) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215703 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:00:23 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215701/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215701 ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (plantiermania) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215701 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:22:44 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215700/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215700
And what about the media? They suffer from eternal short term lapses in memory but they provide a lot of the fan base with much of the information they rely on to understand... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Norm in Oregon) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215700 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:08:48 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215699/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215699 feeds@kickapps.com (joshv02) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215699 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:48:03 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215696/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215696 jsinger121 wrote:
It's a pretty valuable roster spot he is logging since he can barely move in the field. The fact is there is likely to be some hard feelings between Lowell and the Sox since they wanted to dump him and pay a pretty good portion of his salary to do it.
Jon,

a) there were rampant rumors that the Sox were trying to trade him last offseason as well. Lowell is a professional and I don't expect this to affect him in the clubhouse. If anything, it was HIS failing to disclose an injury to the team that affected this situation the most.

b) sure, the roster spot is valuable. However, if the Sox have an opportunity to upgrade, they're going to upgrade regardless of Lowell's situation. Do you think Theo is going "aw shucks, now that we have Lowell on the roster, I shouldn't try to improve at the corners, because that might make him angry"?

]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Arquimedez Bozo) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215696 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:29:37 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215682/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215682 feeds@kickapps.com (flap1919) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215682 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:58:20 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215681/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215681 feeds@kickapps.com (terriblehondo) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215681 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:49:55 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215679/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215679 ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (MaleNurse2010) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215679 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:05:26 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215675/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215675 mredsox89 wrote:
jsinger121 wrote:
It's a pretty valuable roster spot he is logging since he can barely move in the field. The fact is there is likely to be some hard feelings between Lowell and the Sox since they wanted to dump him and pay a pretty good portion of his salary to do it.
Yea, i understand about the roster spot. But I still think Lowell brings enough to the plate to be a bench player and occasionally fill in at 3rd or DH. If the deal had been to get rid of most of Lowell's deal I certainly would have been for it. But i really don't see them going out and getting a huge player for this roster spot. While he's hurt, he's on the DL, so he only takes money, not a roster spot. He should take ST slowly, and maybe even start the season on a "rehab" assignment in AAA... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (SoxSail) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215675 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:21:08 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215673/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215673 jsinger121 wrote:
mredsox89 wrote:
what would the point of just cutting Lowell be? At this point all it saves us is a roster spot. Either find a way to trade him in ST or use him
It's a pretty valuable roster spot he is logging since he can barely move in the field. The fact is there is likely to be some hard feelings between Lowell and the Sox since they wanted to dump him and pay a pretty good portion of his salary to do it.



Yea, i understand about the roster spot. But I still think Lowell brings enough to the plate to be a bench player and occasionally fill in at 3rd or DH. If the deal had been to get rid of most of Lowell's deal I certainly would have been for it. But i really don't see them going out and getting a huge player for this roster spot. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (mredsox89) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215673 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:59:50 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215672/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215672 buffs44444 wrote:
There's really nothing negative about this news, it just takes things down a different path......
I hope that's true, Lou. My gut said that Max Ramirez wasn't so much a "Theo-type" player as he was a previously discussed chip who was going to be flipped in another deal once Boston acquired him - a deal that had the parameters agreed upon and Ramirez was on of the key chips. Think Andy Marte a few years back: they got him only to spin him in what was thought to be a much bigger deal (Coco) in much the same way; i.e. trading a veteran who Boston had internally devalued, plus a big chunk of cash and another prospect (Shoppach), for another completely different-type of player (Crisp) who they hoped would be an impact player for years to come.

I won't speculate who they possible had in mind, but a healthy Ramirez best case would be a Jesus Montero type,... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Guidas) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215672 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:40:32 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215671/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215671
There's really nothing negative about this news, it just takes things down a different path......
]]> feeds@kickapps.com (buffs44444) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215671 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:48:06 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215670/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215670 mredsox89 wrote:
what would the point of just cutting Lowell be? At this point all it saves us is a roster spot. Either find a way to trade him in ST or use him It's a pretty valuable roster spot he is logging since he can barely move in the field. The fact is there is likely to be some hard feelings between Lowell and the Sox since they wanted to dump him and pay a pretty good portion of his salary to do it.

]]> feeds@kickapps.com (jsinger121) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215670 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:58:25 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215669/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html#reply-215669 feeds@kickapps.com (mredsox89) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/215669 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:40:20 PST <![CDATA[ Lowell to Rangers trade falls through ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/topic/5310/t/Lowell-to-Rangers-trade-falls-through.html Story

Deal is pending medical records, John Henry approval, and league approval. According to the story, Sox would eat most of Lowell's contract.

Ramirez

Quick take on Ramirez: Used to be terrible defensively, but has improved. Used to be a stud offensively, but had a weak year in 2009 with his first shot at AAA. A somewhat fallen top prospect. Many many skeptics about whether he can stick at catcher.

edit: only 1 bad year, not 2; also, he had wrist injuries that may have caused the bad year

more edit: Coming into 2009, Keith Law ranked Ramirez as the #8 prospect of the Rangers (#1 farm system in baseball), and #77 prospect in baseball

My guess is that the Sox might have... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Oz43) http://forum-soxprospects.com/topic/5310 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:45:48 PST