The Value of OBP http://forum-soxprospects.com/topic/5174/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html en-us Copyright 2006, Kickapps feeds@kickapps.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@kickapps.com (WebMaster) Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:34:04 GMT Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:05:50 GMT Kickapps Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://kickapps.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://kickapps.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://kickapps.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207551/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207551 This is why Duquette was way ahead of his time, recognizing that he could sign Offerman to replace Vaughn's "on-base capability". ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Steve Dillard) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207551 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:05:50 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207453/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207453 ancientsoxfogey wrote:
Higher than what? Higher than what he'd sign for for a longer deal? Or higher than the AAV of his current contract? I wouldn't give him more than his current deal in AAV, because stats seem to say that he's giving the Sox approximately what he is paid at current scale, and we have no reason to believe that is going to improve as he goes through his mid-30's. Besides, we have plenty of time to evaluate that as his potential replacements work their way through the minors as he plays the last 2 years under his current contract.

Higher than his market value. Some team will offer him the 3/4 year deal. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (mredsox89) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207453 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:58:44 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207451/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207451 feeds@kickapps.com (ancientsoxfogey) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207451 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:53:43 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207442/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207442 Bury the Hammer wrote:
mredsox89 wrote:
I'll be honest, I really hope the sox can lock up Drew again, even if it is a similar contract. His current contract has paid him 42 million over three years, and although he had a slow 1st season he has produced over 44 million according to fangraphs.com. Maybe the contract is a bit much but he is producing like a middle of the order star, even if he doesn't ever show the emotion. Sometimes you need that guy who can be consistent and won't get rattled up.
I like Drew as much as anyone, but even I wouldn't advocate signing him to a deal when he's in his mid-thirties.


Maybe only a 2 year deal at higher money? ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (mredsox89) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207442 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:36:12 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207440/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207440
A little off topic, but I ran into an old Red Sox pitcher by the name of Jerry Casale at a casino in Atlantic City. He pitched for the Sox in '58 and '59 before being let go in the expansion draft in '60 to the Angels. His claim to fame was that he gave up one of Maris's HR's during 1960 (no. 41) and also Yaz's 1st major league HR. He went on to open an Italian restaurant in NYC, but when 9/11 happened, it killed his business. He's now living in NJ on Social Security. He was saying that Yawkey only wanted Southern ballplayers, so they let go many fine Northern players, including Sammy White. Mike Higgins was a big time drunk (ended up in jail for a DUI and killing someone). Other players just didn't give a damn including (wait for it) Pumpsie... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (costpet) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207440 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:09:58 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207434/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207434 mredsox89 wrote:
I'll be honest, I really hope the sox can lock up Drew again, even if it is a similar contract. His current contract has paid him 42 million over three years, and although he had a slow 1st season he has produced over 44 million according to fangraphs.com. Maybe the contract is a bit much but he is producing like a middle of the order star, even if he doesn't ever show the emotion. Sometimes you need that guy who can be consistent and won't get rattled up. I like Drew as much as anyone, but even I wouldn't advocate signing him to a deal when he's in his mid-thirties.
]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Bury the Hammer) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207434 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:38:01 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207429/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207429 TWilliams4649 wrote:
mpaxisa wrote:
OBP is the single most important statistic in baseball. Period.
I think that OBP is extremely important, but I want to know your reasoning on why it is the single most important statistic in baseball. I would not want my clean up hitter having an amazing OBP if his Slugging is down. Please explain yourself.
To eleaborate on FTHW's explanation, OBP is a statistic that shows how often (or rarely) a player makes outs. I also seem to remember that it is the TEAM statistic that most closely correlates with runs scored. It is also a statistic over which each hitter has a great degree of control (walks, strikeouts and HR's are all involved, and LD% tends to increase it), and can therefore be used predictively fairly well.

]]> feeds@kickapps.com (SoxSail) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207429 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:09:08 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207427/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207427 feeds@kickapps.com (mastaexarkun) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207427 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:02:43 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207423/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207423 feeds@kickapps.com (mredsox89) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207423 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:50:39 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207422/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207422 feeds@kickapps.com (FenwayTheHardWay) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207422 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:05:01 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207420/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207420 TWilliams4649 wrote:
mpaxisa wrote:
OBP is the single most important statistic in baseball. Period.

I think that OBP is extremely important, but I want to know your reasoning on why it is the single most important statistic in baseball. I would not want my clean up hitter having an amazing OBP if his Slugging is down. Please explain yourself.


If my clean up hitter has a .500 OBP, he can get it from nothing but singles and walks, I'll be ecstatic. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (ArodSucksAtLife) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207420 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:57:49 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207418/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207418
Basic stuff, people. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (FenwayTheHardWay) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207418 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:46:10 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207415/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207415 mpaxisa wrote:
OBP is the single most important statistic in baseball. Period.

I think that OBP is extremely important, but I want to know your reasoning on why it is the single most important statistic in baseball. I would not want my clean up hitter having an amazing OBP if his Slugging is down. Please explain yourself.
]]> feeds@kickapps.com (TWilliams4649) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207415 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:30:49 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207413/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207413 I forgot to add this in the OP, but to address the point that Bosoxwest was making about Drew not being a guy that keeps him up at nights despite Drew being a high OBP guy: what makes one high OBP guy scarier than another high OBP guy? What makes Youkilis seem "scarier" at the plate than Drew? I hope Bosoxwest can elaborate on his point.
]]> feeds@kickapps.com (muellerkiller) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207413 Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:40:40 PST <![CDATA[ Re: The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207412/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html#reply-207412 ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (mpaxisa) http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/207412 Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:36:19 PST <![CDATA[ The Value of OBP ]]> http://forum-soxprospects.com/topic/5174/t/The-Value-of-OBP.html Bosoxwest wrote:
This has been a pretty damn good discussion, but regarding Drew, as far as Theo's personnel moves go, I don't know that he's the guy keeping me up nights. New thread on value of OBP?
The J.D. Drew thread has sparked a lot of conversation about the value of walking and OBP in general, so I got motivated by the above quote to start a new discussion about the value of OBP and what it means to scoring runs.

I find it awfully baffling that people still rely on AVG over OBP when assessing a hitter. I'm trying to think of possible reasons why this is the case, and I think the major one probably would be that most people don't see walking as a hitter's skill. As we all know from traditional scouting, plate discipline is not considered one of the five tools.

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